{"podcast":{"title":"The Lawfare Podcast","slug":"the-lawfare-podcast-745203","podcast_index_feed_id":745203,"rss_url":"https://feeds.acast.com/public/shows/60518a52f69aa815d2dba41c","website_url":"http://www.lawfaremedia.org","image_url":"https://assets.pippa.io/shows/60518a52f69aa815d2dba41c/1713733058272-bcd7ae96f1d1bd6b44800b014a4087b2.jpeg","author":"The Lawfare Institute","episode_count":3037,"summary":"The Lawfare Podcast features discussions with experts, policymakers, and opinion leaders at the nexus of national security, law, and policy. On issues from foreign policy, homeland security, intelligence, and cybersecurity to governance and law, we have doubled down on seriousness at a time when others are running away from it. Visit us at www.lawfaremedia.org. Support this show http://supporter.acast.com/lawfare . Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.","last_synced_at":"2026-08-02T08:20:37.599183+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-lawfare-podcast-745203"},"episode":{"title":"Lawfare Daily: Chatting on Chatrie with Adam Unikowsky, Michael Dreeben, and Richard Salgado","slug":"lawfare-daily-chatting-on-chatrie-with-adam-unikowsky-michael-dreeben-and-richard-salgado","published_at":"2026-05-05T09:00:00+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-lawfare-podcast-745203/lawfare-daily-chatting-on-chatrie-with-adam-unikowsky-michael-dreeben-and-richard-salgado","show_page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-lawfare-podcast-745203","url":"https://shows.acast.com/lawfare/episodes/lawfare-daily-chatting-on-chatrie-with-adam-unikowsky-michae","audio_url":"https://sphinx.acast.com/p/open/s/60518a52f69aa815d2dba41c/e/69f912a59d4faa1506fb60a2/media.mp3","summary":"Lawfare  Senior Editor Kate Klonick speaks with former Deputy Solicitor General  Michael Dreeben ; lecturer in law at Stanford,  Richard Salgado ; and attorney  Adam Unikowsky , to discuss the geofencing Fourth Amendment case that was  heard Monday, April 27  in the Supreme Court,  Chatrie v. United States. They discuss the background of the case with their unique perspectives, starting with Unikowsky's framing of the case for his client, Chatrie, and his thoughts on the arguments he made in his defense when he argued the case before the Court on Monday. Salgado, who worked for Google for years answering such warrants and co-authored the technologist amicus brief, discusses how the Court seemed to be handling the sophistication of the technology issues. Dreeben, who argued  Carpenter , the Fourth Amendment technology case seen as the precursor to  Chatrie,  frames up the stakes of the Fourth Amendment issues. They debate the values of various technology metaphors, the long term future of the third party doctrine, and what the Justices seem most concerned with coming out of the arguments on Monday.  To receive ad-free podcasts, become a  Lawfare  Material Supporter at  www.patreon.com/lawfare . You can also support  Lawfare  by making a one-time donation at  https://givebutter.com/lawfare-institute . Support this show http://supporter.acast.com/lawfare . Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.","meta_description":"Lawfare Senior Editor Kate Klonick speaks with former Deputy Solicitor General Michael Dreeben ; lecturer in law at Stanford, Richard Sa…","key_points":[],"chapters":[],"topics":[],"duration_seconds":3758,"processing_state":"processed","actions":[{"name":"request_transcript","method":"POST","url":"https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/the-lawfare-podcast-745203/episodes/lawfare-daily-chatting-on-chatrie-with-adam-unikowsky-michael-dreeben-and-richard-salgado/transcription-requests","description":"Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode."},{"name":"read_markdown","method":"GET","url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-lawfare-podcast-745203/lawfare-daily-chatting-on-chatrie-with-adam-unikowsky-michael-dreeben-and-richard-salgado.md","description":"Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource."}]}}