{"podcast":{"title":"The Kids or Childfree Podcast","slug":"the-kids-or-childfree-podcast-6725428","podcast_index_feed_id":6725428,"rss_url":"https://feeds.libsyn.com/497933/rss","website_url":"https://www.kidsorchildfree.com/podcast","image_url":"https://static.libsyn.com/p/assets/2/c/7/8/2c78ed175c360c8388c4a68c3ddbc4f2/FINAL_PODCAST_ART.png","author":"Keltie Maguire","episode_count":107,"summary":"Should I have kids? If you're on the fence about whether or not to have kids, this is your podcast. Each week, host and Clarity Coach, Keltie Maguire, will interview a wide-ranging host of different voices — from best-selling authors to outdoor adventurers to health experts — about their personal Kids or Childfree decision and the topics that run alongside this choice. From new and long-time moms to the currently ambivalent to those who are childfree by choice, you'll get to hear the answers to all the questions you can't seem to get straight answers on. What's it really like being a parent? What happens to childfree people when they get old? Do people who don't have kids regret it? Can you ever really be ready to have a child? And perhaps most importantly: How can I make my own Kids or Childfree decision?","last_synced_at":"2026-06-04T04:18:27.784400+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-kids-or-childfree-podcast-6725428"},"episode":{"title":"92. Gemma Hartley on Emotional Labor and the Parenthood Path","slug":"92-gemma-hartley-on-emotional-labor-and-the-parenthood-path","published_at":"2026-01-28T22:01:00+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-kids-or-childfree-podcast-6725428/92-gemma-hartley-on-emotional-labor-and-the-parenthood-path","show_page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-kids-or-childfree-podcast-6725428","url":"https://81cffad0-1139-4cb7-be39-26dc670a9d20.libsyn.com/92-gemma-hartley-on-emotional-labor-and-the-parenthood-path","audio_url":"https://traffic.libsyn.com/secure/81cffad0-1139-4cb7-be39-26dc670a9d20/KM_-_Ep_92_-_Podcast_Audio.mp3?dest-id=4261233","summary":"Keltie is joined by freelance writer and author of the book, Fed Up: Emotional Labor, Women, and the Way Forward, Gemma Hartley. Their discussion explores... What terms like emotional labor, mental load, and invisible labor actually mean. The interplay of these things within partnerships, and in particular, the decision to have kids. Why having children exacerbates existing imbalances in relationships. The impact of societal expectations on women, and how social conditioning causes women to shoulder more emotional labor. Gemma's personal parenthood journey, as a mother of three, and how she and her partner corrected their emotional labor imbalance and built a more equitable partnership. ____ (2:05) Meet Gemma & her Kids or Childfree decision (8:43) (4:32) Defining emotional labor, mental load, and invisible labor (11:16) Tips for navigating an emotional labor imbalance & parenthood (23:20) How Gemma and her husband built a more equitable partnership (36:36) Mental load with multiple kids (46:04) Solo parenthood ____ MENTIONED IN THIS EPISODE Gemma's Instagram ▸ https://www.instagram.com/gemmalhartley/ Gemma's Substack, Angry Woman ▸ https://gemmahartley.substack.com Gemma's first book, Fed Up: Emotional Labor, Women, and the Way Forward ▸ https://bookshop.org/p/books/fed-up-emotional-labor-women-and-the-way-forward-gemma-hartley/933f0f3a89b3cb4b?ean=9780062856463&next=t Order Gemma's forthcoming book, No One Loves An Angry Woman ▸ https://bit.ly/3Z57qWU ____ ABOUT GEMMA Gemma Hartley is a longtime freelance writer, writing coach, yoga instructor and most notably author of Fed Up: Emotional Labor, Women, and the Way Forward . She has spoken on the topic of the mental load and emotional labor around the world, from corporate conferences to festivals at the Sydney Ope…","meta_description":"Keltie is joined by freelance writer and author of the book, Fed Up: Emotional Labor, Women, and the Way Forward, Gemma Hartley. Their discussion explores…","key_points":[],"chapters":[],"topics":[],"duration_seconds":3188,"processing_state":"not_requested","actions":[{"name":"request_transcript","method":"POST","url":"https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/the-kids-or-childfree-podcast-6725428/episodes/92-gemma-hartley-on-emotional-labor-and-the-parenthood-path/transcription-requests","description":"Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode."},{"name":"read_markdown","method":"GET","url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-kids-or-childfree-podcast-6725428/92-gemma-hartley-on-emotional-labor-and-the-parenthood-path.md","description":"Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource."}]}}