{"podcast":{"title":"The Kids or Childfree Podcast","slug":"the-kids-or-childfree-podcast-6725428","podcast_index_feed_id":6725428,"rss_url":"https://feeds.libsyn.com/497933/rss","website_url":"https://www.kidsorchildfree.com/podcast","image_url":"https://static.libsyn.com/p/assets/2/c/7/8/2c78ed175c360c8388c4a68c3ddbc4f2/FINAL_PODCAST_ART.png","author":"Keltie Maguire","episode_count":107,"summary":"Should I have kids? If you're on the fence about whether or not to have kids, this is your podcast. Each week, host and Clarity Coach, Keltie Maguire, will interview a wide-ranging host of different voices — from best-selling authors to outdoor adventurers to health experts — about their personal Kids or Childfree decision and the topics that run alongside this choice. From new and long-time moms to the currently ambivalent to those who are childfree by choice, you'll get to hear the answers to all the questions you can't seem to get straight answers on. What's it really like being a parent? What happens to childfree people when they get old? Do people who don't have kids regret it? Can you ever really be ready to have a child? And perhaps most importantly: How can I make my own Kids or Childfree decision?","last_synced_at":"2026-06-04T04:18:27.784400+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-kids-or-childfree-podcast-6725428"},"episode":{"title":"85. Lisa Patterson on Reinventing Parenting Gender Norms","slug":"85-lisa-patterson-on-reinventing-parenting-gender-norms","published_at":"2025-11-19T22:04:00+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-kids-or-childfree-podcast-6725428/85-lisa-patterson-on-reinventing-parenting-gender-norms","show_page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-kids-or-childfree-podcast-6725428","url":"https://81cffad0-1139-4cb7-be39-26dc670a9d20.libsyn.com/85-lisa-patterson-on-reinventing-parenting-gender-norms","audio_url":"https://traffic.libsyn.com/secure/81cffad0-1139-4cb7-be39-26dc670a9d20/KM_-_Ep_85_-_Podcast_Audio.mp3?dest-id=4261233","summary":"In this episode, Keltie is joined by friend, Lisa Patterson, who shares how her and her partner are navigating parenting roles in a way that goes against traditional norms. Hear Keltie and Lisa discuss... How Lisa made the decision to become a parent, despite it not having been a part of her life's \"success criteria\" How she and her partner have communicated about and negotiated their respective parenting roles The way others have responded to Lisa and Andy's role reversal of \"primary\" and \"secondary\" parent The perks of raising a child outside of the U.S. The tension between and trouble fitting the all-or-nothing categories of \"mom\" vs. \"career woman\". (1:59) Meet Lisa & her Kids or Childfree decision (13:12) Defining Primary Parent & Secondary Parent roles (23:48) Fitting her child into her life & routines (29:20) Navigating the \"shoulds\" of parenthood (34:33) Being one and done; having an only child (45:30) Career Woman vs. Mom As mentioned in the show Find Lisa on Instagram at instagram.com/captlisann About Lisa Lisa Patterson is an outdoor enthusiast, tech nerd, vinophile and working mom. ____ MORE HELP FOR YOUR KIDS OR CHILDFREE DECISION Start Here: sign up for an upcoming WORKSHOP 🔗 https://kidsorchildfree.com/workshop Join a GROUP PROGRAM 🔗 Kids or Childfree Group Program ▸ https://www.kidsorchildfree.com/kids-or-childfree-program 🔗Confidently Childfree Group Intensive ▸ https://www.kidsorchildfree.com/confidently-childfree-group-intensive Access an ON DEMAND class 🔗 Peruse the entire On Demand Collection ▸ https://www.kidsorchildfree.com/ondemand Join one of our monthly SUPPORT SERIES sessions 🔗 Kids or Childfree Support Series ▸ https://kidsorchildfree.com/kids-or-childfree-support-series 🔗Confidently Childfree Support Series ▸ https://kidsorchildfree.com/con…","meta_description":"In this episode, Keltie is joined by friend, Lisa Patterson, who shares how her and her partner are navigating parenting roles in a way that goes against…","key_points":[],"chapters":[],"topics":[],"duration_seconds":3132,"processing_state":"not_requested","actions":[{"name":"request_transcript","method":"POST","url":"https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/the-kids-or-childfree-podcast-6725428/episodes/85-lisa-patterson-on-reinventing-parenting-gender-norms/transcription-requests","description":"Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode."},{"name":"read_markdown","method":"GET","url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-kids-or-childfree-podcast-6725428/85-lisa-patterson-on-reinventing-parenting-gender-norms.md","description":"Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource."}]}}