{"podcast":{"title":"The Jabot","slug":"the-jabot-1141212","podcast_index_feed_id":1141212,"rss_url":"https://atlthejabot.libsyn.com/rss","website_url":"https://abovethelaw.com/the-jabot/","image_url":"https://static.libsyn.com/p/assets/1/2/7/c/127cbf70a5a6e1cb/MAIN-ARTWORK1_1.jpg","author":"Kathryn Rubino","episode_count":228,"summary":"We are an offshoot of the Above the Law legal blog. But we are focused on the challenges women, people of color, LGBTQIA, and other diverse populations face in the legal industry. Let's be real -- it can suck out there. So we want to create a space where our community can come together share stories, find support and devise strategies. Our name comes from none other than the Notorious Ruth Bader Ginsburg and the jabot (decorative collar) she wears when delivering dissents from the bench. It's a reminder that --even when we aren't winning, we're still a powerful force to be reckoned with.","last_synced_at":"2026-07-27T16:20:18.436577+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-jabot-1141212"},"episode":{"title":"What It Takes for Women to Break Through in Litigation","slug":"what-it-takes-for-women-to-break-through-in-litigation","published_at":"2026-07-13T09:00:00+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-jabot-1141212/what-it-takes-for-women-to-break-through-in-litigation","show_page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-jabot-1141212","url":"https://atlthejabot.libsyn.com/what-it-takes-for-women-to-break-through-in-litigation","audio_url":"https://traffic.libsyn.com/secure/atlthejabot/JAB222_mixdown.mp3?dest-id=655403","summary":"Summary Kelly Grigsby Jones and Laurie Avery, litigation partners at Perez Morris, sit down with Kathryn Rubino to talk about building a career in trial work. They trace their paths into law, the gap between courtroom TV and courtroom reality, and how they've made an unpredictable schedule sustainable over decades of practice. The conversation turns practical: how young lawyers can get their first real trial experience, what mentors actually look for in an associate, and how to handle a case when the best exhibit goes missing mid-trial. Both partners share candid advice for women navigating litigation, plus the one habit they say matters more than talent: preparation. Key Takeaways Early trial experience often comes from smaller markets or litigation-heavy firms willing to hand associates low-stakes cases to learn on. Being proactive, not waiting to be asked, is what separates associates who get pulled into bigger opportunities from those who don't. Preparation is the one thing a lawyer can fully control, even when the outcome, a missing exhibit or a directed verdict, isn't. Good mentors highlight a mentee's strengths and give honest, respectful redirection when trial work isn't the right fit. A sustainable trial career means accepting an uneven schedule: early some days, late into the night on others. Links and Resources Above the Law: https://abovethelaw.com/ The Jabot Podcast: https://abovethelaw.com/tag/the-jabot-podcast/ Perez Morris: https://www.perezmorris.com/ Email the Jabot: tips@abovethelaw.com Keywords women in litigation, trial lawyers, legal career advice, Perez Morris, Above the Law, The Jabot Podcast, women in law, litigation partners, trial experience, first chair, second chair, mentorship in law, law firm associates, courtroom preparation, women trial…","meta_description":"Summary Kelly Grigsby Jones and Laurie Avery, litigation partners at Perez Morris, sit down with Kathryn Rubino to talk about building a career in trial w…","key_points":[],"chapters":[],"topics":[],"duration_seconds":1355,"processing_state":"not_requested","actions":[{"name":"request_transcript","method":"POST","url":"https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/the-jabot-1141212/episodes/what-it-takes-for-women-to-break-through-in-litigation/transcription-requests","description":"Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode."},{"name":"read_markdown","method":"GET","url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-jabot-1141212/what-it-takes-for-women-to-break-through-in-litigation.md","description":"Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource."}]}}