{"podcast":{"title":"The Jabot","slug":"the-jabot-1141212","podcast_index_feed_id":1141212,"rss_url":"https://atlthejabot.libsyn.com/rss","website_url":"https://abovethelaw.com/the-jabot/","image_url":"https://static.libsyn.com/p/assets/1/2/7/c/127cbf70a5a6e1cb/MAIN-ARTWORK1_1.jpg","author":"Kathryn Rubino","episode_count":228,"summary":"We are an offshoot of the Above the Law legal blog. But we are focused on the challenges women, people of color, LGBTQIA, and other diverse populations face in the legal industry. Let's be real -- it can suck out there. So we want to create a space where our community can come together share stories, find support and devise strategies. Our name comes from none other than the Notorious Ruth Bader Ginsburg and the jabot (decorative collar) she wears when delivering dissents from the bench. It's a reminder that --even when we aren't winning, we're still a powerful force to be reckoned with.","last_synced_at":"2026-07-27T16:20:18.436577+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-jabot-1141212"},"episode":{"title":"Building A Legal Practice That Fits Your Life","slug":"building-a-legal-practice-that-fits-your-life","published_at":"2026-07-27T09:00:00+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-jabot-1141212/building-a-legal-practice-that-fits-your-life","show_page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-jabot-1141212","url":"https://atlthejabot.libsyn.com/building-a-legal-practice-that-fits-your-life","audio_url":"https://traffic.libsyn.com/secure/atlthejabot/JAB227_mixdown.mp3?dest-id=655403","summary":"Summary Kara Maciel always knew she wanted to be a lawyer, and a high school trip to Washington, DC sealed the deal. What she didn't plan for was building her own firm. In this episode, the Conn, Maciel & Carey co-founder talks with Kathryn Rubino about the years she spent paying off law school loans early to buy herself flexibility, and how that discipline let her take a real risk later: leaving a comfortable partnership to start something new. The decision crystallized during back-to-back parental leaves, when Kara and her future co-founder each returned from leave with the same idea. Twelve years later, the firm has offices across the country, and Kara talks through what she wishes she'd known about the business side of running a firm, how she's used technology to standardize billing across offices, and why she believes boutique practice offers something Big Law structurally can't. Key Takeaways Paying down law school loans aggressively in your early career years buys flexibility later, not just debt relief. Opening a firm requires business skills most lawyers never learn in practice; hire for that gap or plan to learn it fast. Complementary practice areas and complementary skill sets among co-founders matter as much as shared values. Firm growth can be organic and still be strategic: expand where clients and trusted partners already are. Boutique firms compete on relationship and rate transparency, not just lower prices. Links and Resources [Above the Law](https://abovethelaw.com/) [The Jabot Podcast](https://abovethelaw.com/tag/the-jabot-podcast/) Keywords boutique law firm, starting a law firm, employment law, labor law, law firm founder, women law firm owners, legal entrepreneurship, law school loans, law firm culture, law firm growth, big law versus boutique, w…","meta_description":"Summary Kara Maciel always knew she wanted to be a lawyer, and a high school trip to Washington, DC sealed the deal. What she didn't plan for was building…","key_points":[],"chapters":[],"topics":[],"duration_seconds":1432,"processing_state":"not_requested","actions":[{"name":"request_transcript","method":"POST","url":"https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/the-jabot-1141212/episodes/building-a-legal-practice-that-fits-your-life/transcription-requests","description":"Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode."},{"name":"read_markdown","method":"GET","url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-jabot-1141212/building-a-legal-practice-that-fits-your-life.md","description":"Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource."}]}}