{"podcast":{"title":"The Forest School Podcast","slug":"the-forest-school-podcast-1141815","podcast_index_feed_id":1141815,"rss_url":"https://anchor.fm/s/3faf584/podcast/rss","website_url":"https://www.theforestschoolpodcast.com","image_url":"https://d3t3ozftmdmh3i.cloudfront.net/staging/podcast_uploaded_nologo/567785/567785-1759568785576-d60f1cc966b6a.jpg","author":"Lewis Ames and Wem Southerden","episode_count":252,"summary":"Wem Southerden & Lewis Ames have run Forest School and training centre Children of the Forest since 2017. The Forest School Podcast was born when they wondered if their daily wafflechats and reflections about pedagogy, play and nature connection might be of interest to others. The podcast aims to inform and support educators, parents, outdoor and play practitioners and anyone interested in nature and the outdoors. Through book reviews – interviews with experts, practitioners and authors – sharing our experience as educators and business owners – deep dives on fascinating topics –","last_synced_at":"2026-07-25T18:20:39.739581+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-forest-school-podcast-1141815"},"episode":{"title":"233 - Who can be a Failure at Forest School and What can they fail at? W Lily Horseman","slug":"233-who-can-be-a-failure-at-forest-school-and-what-can-they-fail-at-w-lily-horseman","published_at":"2025-12-01T19:52:33+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-forest-school-podcast-1141815/233-who-can-be-a-failure-at-forest-school-and-what-can-they-fail-at-w-lily-horseman","show_page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-forest-school-podcast-1141815","url":"https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/theforestschoolpodcast/episodes/233---Who-can-be-a-Failure-at-Forest-School-and-What-can-they-fail-at--W-Lily-Horseman-e3bnmrs","audio_url":"https://anchor.fm/s/3faf584/podcast/play/111974716/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2025-11-1%2F413534087-44100-2-7c04d691c400d.mp3","summary":"In this lively, reflective episode of The Forest School Podcast, Lewis, Wem, and guest Lily pick apart the famous “three look afters” and ask a bigger question: who’s allowed to fail at Forest School, and how do we help people fail well? From cartilage kneecaps and Mr Potato Head jokes to space holding, autonomy versus community, and that dreaded “shit spoon” moment, they explore boundaries, blame versus shame, and how to create conditions where struggle leads to learning rather than humiliation. Expect practical facilitation nuance, philosophical detours, and a few perfect tangents about tracksuits. ⏱ Chapter Timings 00:00 – Cold open: kneecaps, bandagraphs, and Mr Potato Heads 03:14 – Axing the “three look afters”: demands, agency, and who can fail 06:06 – Flattened hierarchies or hidden authority: responsibility in practice 10:38 – Boundaries, safety, and culture shift for new groups 14:49 – Space holding, low-demand setups, and modelling altruism 21:27 – Failing well: conditions for struggle without humiliation 25:22 – Nunchi: reading the room and tailoring support 28:56 – Relational failure, shame versus guilt, and belonging 49:22 – Process over product: the “shit spoon” and reframing success 1:05:00 – Lily’s trainings, FSA roadshows, and resources 🌲 Keywords Forest School agreements, failing well, autonomy vs community, space holding, shame vs blame, boundaries and safety, facilitator judgement, process over product, reflective practice, learner agency 🔖 Hashtags #ForestSchool #OutdoorEducation #ReflectivePractice #CommunityLearning #NaturePlay 🎧 Catch the full episode: Spotify: https://shorturl.at/4WdyI YouTube: https://shorturl.at/3qOUs Apple: https://shorturl.at/FxfMF RSS: https://shorturl.at/A0kx9 🌐 More Episodes & Support Listen to more and access resour…","meta_description":"In this lively, reflective episode of The Forest School Podcast, Lewis, Wem, and guest Lily pick apart the famous “three look afters” and ask a bigger que…","key_points":[],"chapters":[],"topics":[],"duration_seconds":4099,"processing_state":"not_requested","actions":[{"name":"request_transcript","method":"POST","url":"https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/the-forest-school-podcast-1141815/episodes/233-who-can-be-a-failure-at-forest-school-and-what-can-they-fail-at-w-lily-horseman/transcription-requests","description":"Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode."},{"name":"read_markdown","method":"GET","url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-forest-school-podcast-1141815/233-who-can-be-a-failure-at-forest-school-and-what-can-they-fail-at-w-lily-horseman.md","description":"Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource."}]}}