{"podcast":{"title":"The Foreign Affairs Interview","slug":"the-foreign-affairs-interview-5444628","podcast_index_feed_id":5444628,"rss_url":"https://feed.podbean.com/foreignaffairsmagazine/feed.xml","website_url":"https://www.foreignaffairs.com/","image_url":"https://pbcdn1.podbean.com/imglogo/image-logo/13951093/FAI_Logo_2023.jpg","author":"Foreign Affairs Magazine","episode_count":100,"summary":"Foreign Affairs invites you to join its editor, Daniel Kurtz-Phelan, as he talks to influential thinkers and policymakers about the forces shaping the world. Whether the topic is the war in Ukraine, the United States’ competition with China, or the future of globalization, Foreign Affairs’ weekly podcast offers the kind of authoritative commentary and analysis that you can find in the magazine and on the website.","last_synced_at":null,"page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-foreign-affairs-interview-5444628"},"episode":{"title":"How to Navigate the Shifting International Order","slug":"how-to-navigate-the-shifting-international-order","published_at":"2026-02-05T11:00:00+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-foreign-affairs-interview-5444628/how-to-navigate-the-shifting-international-order","show_page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-foreign-affairs-interview-5444628","url":"https://foreignaffairsmagazine.podbean.com/e/how-to-navigate-the-shifting-international-order/","audio_url":"https://mcdn.podbean.com/mf/web/gbstn6z99cbr4xpk/260205_Alex_Sutbb_v37cvmo.mp3","summary":"Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney may have made headlines when he described a “rupture” in global order in a speech at Davos last month. But long before that, policymakers and analysts had already been grappling with this unsettled—and unsettling—era in global politics. And the challenge has of course been especially great for American allies facing a very different Washington. President Alexander Stubb of Finland has become central both to navigating and to understanding this time of rupture. He has emerged as a leader who is particularly adept at managing the rift in the U.S.-European relationship, and at talking to Donald Trump, whether about Greenland or about golf. Yet even as he’s scrambled seemingly every week to avert a transatlantic crisis, Stubb has also gone out of his way to stress the long-term stakes of this moment—as he did in a recent Foreign Affairs essay. He warns that without significant changes, “the multilateral system as it exists will crumble,” and that “the alternatives are much worse: spheres of influence, chaos, and disorder.” Dan Kurtz-Phelan spoke to Stubb on Tuesday, February 3 about geopolitical challenges from China and Russia to Ukraine and, of course, Greenland; about Trump and the future of alliances; and about what a true breakdown in global order would mean in the years ahead. You can find sources, transcripts, and more episodes of The Foreign Affairs Interview at https://www.foreignaffairs.com/podcasts/foreign-affairs-interview.","meta_description":"Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney may have made headlines when he described a “rupture” in global order in a speech at Davos last month. But long before…","key_points":[],"chapters":[],"topics":[],"duration_seconds":3478,"processing_state":"not_requested","actions":[{"name":"request_transcript","method":"POST","url":"https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/the-foreign-affairs-interview-5444628/episodes/how-to-navigate-the-shifting-international-order/transcription-requests","description":"Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode."},{"name":"read_markdown","method":"GET","url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-foreign-affairs-interview-5444628/how-to-navigate-the-shifting-international-order.md","description":"Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource."}]}}