{"podcast":{"title":"The Ezra Klein Show","slug":"the-ezra-klein-show-1371595","podcast_index_feed_id":1371595,"rss_url":"https://feeds.simplecast.com/82FI35Px","website_url":"https://www.nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast","image_url":"https://image.simplecastcdn.com/images/47913775-afcf-4643-935f-31f1dcc86cfb/6a0e5e15-04a3-47c8-9c50-2f2fe8e84437/3000x3000/teks-album-20art-3000px.jpg?aid=rss_feed","author":"New York Times Opinion","episode_count":512,"summary":"Ezra Klein invites you into a conversation on something that matters. How do we address climate change if the political system fails to act? Has the logic of markets infiltrated too many aspects of our lives? What is the future of the Republican Party? What do psychedelics teach us about consciousness? What does sci-fi understand about our present that we miss? Can our food system be just to humans and animals alike? Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher.","last_synced_at":"2026-06-19T18:20:25.714319+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-ezra-klein-show-1371595"},"episode":{"title":"Why the Pentagon Wants to Destroy Anthropic","slug":"why-the-pentagon-wants-to-destroy-anthropic","published_at":"2026-03-06T10:00:00+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-ezra-klein-show-1371595/why-the-pentagon-wants-to-destroy-anthropic","show_page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-ezra-klein-show-1371595","url":"https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/06/opinion/ezra-klein-podcast-dean-ball.html","audio_url":"https://dts.podtrac.com/redirect.mp3/pdst.fm/e/pfx.vpixl.com/6qj4J/pscrb.fm/rss/p/nyt.simplecastaudio.com/3026b665-46df-4d18-98e9-d1ce16bbb1df/episodes/2bdafb76-321b-447c-ab2a-863b3d1f409f/audio/128/default.mp3?aid=rss_feed&awCollectionId=3026b665-46df-4d18-98e9-d1ce16bbb1df&awEpisodeId=2bdafb76-321b-447c-ab2a-863b3d1f409f&feed=82FI35Px","summary":"Last Friday, Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth announced that he was breaking the Pentagon’s contract with the A.I. company Anthropic and would declare the company a supply chain risk — a designation for companies so dangerous, they can’t exist anywhere in the U.S. military supply chain. What makes this so wild is the military is still using Anthropic’s A.I. system right now. They reportedly used it during the raid to capture Maduro in Venezuela, and are now using it in the war in Iran. This story raises so many questions: Why does the government think Anthropic is so dangerous? How exactly is the government using A.I. right now? How do they want to use A.I.? And who should ultimately control this powerful and uncertain technology? Dean Ball is a senior fellow at the Foundation for American Innovation and the author of the newsletter Hyperdimensional. He served as a senior policy adviser on A.I. for the Trump White House and was the primary staff writer of their A.I. action plan. But he’s been furious at the Trump administration for how it has been handling the conflict with Anthropic. So I wanted to have him on the show to explain why. Mentioned: “Hyperdimensional\" by Dean Ball “What if Dario Amodei Is Right About A.I.?” The Ezra Klein Show “Stratechery” by Ben Thompson Book Recommendations: Rationalism in Politics and Other Essays by Michael Oakeshott Empire Of Liberty by Gordon S. Wood Roll, Jordan, Roll by Eugene D. Genovese Thoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at ezrakleinshow@nytimes.com. You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast, and you can find Ezra on Twitter @ezraklein. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs.…","meta_description":"Last Friday, Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth announced that he was breaking the Pentagon’s contract with the A.I. company Anthropic and would declare th…","key_points":[],"chapters":[],"topics":[],"duration_seconds":4198,"processing_state":"not_requested","actions":[{"name":"request_transcript","method":"POST","url":"https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/the-ezra-klein-show-1371595/episodes/why-the-pentagon-wants-to-destroy-anthropic/transcription-requests","description":"Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode."},{"name":"read_markdown","method":"GET","url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-ezra-klein-show-1371595/why-the-pentagon-wants-to-destroy-anthropic.md","description":"Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource."}]}}