{"podcast":{"title":"The Cone of Shame Veterinary Podcast","slug":"the-cone-of-shame-veterinary-podcast-1191328","podcast_index_feed_id":1191328,"rss_url":"https://feeds.captivate.fm/the-cone-of-shame/","website_url":"http://DrAndyRoark.com","image_url":"https://artwork.captivate.fm/0a04bf2e-d920-4686-9e40-c13d07c8920b/3832093-1731682037.jpg","author":"Dr. Andy Roark","episode_count":410,"summary":"The Cone of Shame Podcast is the podcast all about life in Veterinary Medicine. Dr Andy Roark covers medical related topics with help from experts in the veterinary industry.","last_synced_at":"2026-07-30T14:17:24.414623+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-cone-of-shame-veterinary-podcast-1191328"},"episode":{"title":"409 - A Cry For Help From the Pathology Department","slug":"409-a-cry-for-help-from-the-pathology-department","published_at":"2026-07-23T04:01:00+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-cone-of-shame-veterinary-podcast-1191328/409-a-cry-for-help-from-the-pathology-department","show_page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-cone-of-shame-veterinary-podcast-1191328","url":"https://the-cone-of-shame.captivate.fm/episode/409-a-cry-for-help-from-the-pathology-department","audio_url":"https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/09df8302-07ab-4929-b6a6-b716f17cbe1e.mp3","summary":"A Cry for Help in Veterinary Pathology, Burnout, Economics, Digitization, and AI with Dr. Eric Fish Dr. Eric Fish, DVM, DACVP, joins Dr. Andy Roark to tackle a tough question: Why does being a veterinary clinical pathologist feel darker right now, and what happens if AI turns “nice to have” diagnostics into “don’t need to have”? They unpack burnout and pay compression (including pathologists earning less than new grad GPs), consolidation in the lab market, and how digitization has pushed cytology toward point-of-care and high-volume “turn and burn” workflows with per-case bonuses that can be as low as $8 to $12. Eric explains how consultative lab medicine has shifted toward internists, why cytology’s cost and turnaround time are eroding its value, and what a better future could look like with AI that augments, triages, and keeps a human in the loop. Gang, let’s get into this episode. Keywords: veterinary pathology, clinical pathologist burnout, digital cytology, AI in veterinary medicine. Links: Substack newsletter All Science Great and Small; LinkedIn. Dr. Eric Fish is a veterinary clinical pathologist and laboratory director at a large private referral center, with a career spanning academia, entrepreneurship, and industry. He co-founded Lacuna Diagnostics, the first point-of-care digital cytology company, spent years at IDEXX as a diagnostician and technology scouting manager, and even found time to work occasional relief ER shifts. Eric brings a unique perspective to the conversation around artificial intelligence: he has not only used voice recognition and large language model AI tools in his own practice, but also worked on teams building computer vision applications for medical imaging. He writes about AI and other hot topics in veterinary medicine in his Substa…","meta_description":"A Cry for Help in Veterinary Pathology, Burnout, Economics, Digitization, and AI with Dr. Eric Fish Dr. Eric Fish, DVM, DACVP, joins Dr. Andy Roark to tac…","key_points":[],"chapters":[],"topics":[],"duration_seconds":1689,"processing_state":"not_requested","actions":[{"name":"request_transcript","method":"POST","url":"https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/the-cone-of-shame-veterinary-podcast-1191328/episodes/409-a-cry-for-help-from-the-pathology-department/transcription-requests","description":"Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode."},{"name":"read_markdown","method":"GET","url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-cone-of-shame-veterinary-podcast-1191328/409-a-cry-for-help-from-the-pathology-department.md","description":"Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource."}]}}