{"podcast":{"title":"The Classical Mind","slug":"the-classical-mind-5634653","podcast_index_feed_id":5634653,"rss_url":"https://api.substack.com/feed/podcast/972743.rss","website_url":"https://www.theclassicalmind.com/podcast","image_url":"https://substackcdn.com/feed/podcast/972743/e5607e6ca2cbda4dc4c211a7444552b3.jpg","author":"Jared Henderson & Wesley Walker","episode_count":53,"summary":"Conversations about the Great Books","last_synced_at":"2026-06-10T00:17:01.754614+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-classical-mind-5634653"},"episode":{"title":"Purgatorio with Heidi White","slug":"purgatorio-with-heidi-white","published_at":"2026-04-28T13:20:27+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-classical-mind-5634653/purgatorio-with-heidi-white","show_page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-classical-mind-5634653","url":"https://www.theclassicalmind.com/p/purgatorio-with-heidi-white","audio_url":"https://api.substack.com/feed/podcast/195572523/d66551622ad44ccd86a76f8fa395870a.mp3","summary":"In this episode of The Classical Mind , Fr. Wesley Walker and Dr. Junius Johnson welcome back Heidi White to explore the middle canticle of Dante’s Divine Comedy , the Purgatorio . Is Purgatory “cosmic extra innings” or a “cosmic decontamination chamber” for the saved? How do Inferno and Purgatorio differ? Give a listen as Heidi, Junius, and Wesley discuss the moral and structural architecture of Mount Purgatory, specifically the “Order of Love” ( ordo amoris ) that governs the seven terraces and how Dante organizes the capital vices. Endnotes: Heidi: The Great Divorce by C.S. Lewis Junius: The Voyage of the Dawn Treader by C.S. Lewis Wesley: “Ash Wednesday” by T.S. Eliot I Because I do not hope to turn again Because I do not hope Because I do not hope to turn Desiring this man's gift and that man's scope I no longer strive to strive towards such things (Why should the agèd eagle stretch its wings?) Why should I mourn The vanished power of the usual reign? Because I do not hope to know The infirm glory of the positive hour Because I do not think Because I know I shall not know The one veritable transitory power Because I cannot drink There, where trees flower, and springs flow, for there is nothing again Because I know that time is always time And place is always and only place And what is actual is actual only for one time And only for one place I rejoice that things are as they are and I renounce the blessèd face And renounce the voice Because I cannot hope to turn again Consequently I rejoice, having to construct something Upon which to rejoice And pray to God to have mercy upon us And pray that I may forget These matters that with myself I too much discuss Too much explain Because I do not hope to turn again Let these words answer For what is done, not to be done a…","meta_description":"In this episode of The Classical Mind , Fr. Wesley Walker and Dr. Junius Johnson welcome back Heidi White to explore the middle canticle of Dante’s Divine…","key_points":[],"chapters":[],"topics":[],"duration_seconds":5027,"processing_state":"not_requested","actions":[{"name":"request_transcript","method":"POST","url":"https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/the-classical-mind-5634653/episodes/purgatorio-with-heidi-white/transcription-requests","description":"Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode."},{"name":"read_markdown","method":"GET","url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-classical-mind-5634653/purgatorio-with-heidi-white.md","description":"Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource."}]}}