{"podcast":{"title":"The Bleeders: about book writing & publishing","slug":"the-bleeders-about-book-writing-publishing-5493360","podcast_index_feed_id":5493360,"rss_url":"https://www.spreaker.com/show/5574561/episodes/feed","website_url":"https://www.bleeders.co/","image_url":"https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/751d306b2bb64d2011a1198b84da9310.jpg","author":"Courtney Kocak","episode_count":85,"summary":"The Bleeders is a podcast (and support group!) about book writing and publishing. Transparent conversations with authors, agents, and people in the publishing industry about how to write and sell books. The title is a nod to the famous (potentially misattributed) Hemingway quote: “There is nothing to writing. All you do is sit down at a typewriter and bleed.” Sign up for The Bleeders companion Substack! https://thebleeders.substack.com/welcome","last_synced_at":"2026-07-09T02:17:09.577584+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-bleeders-about-book-writing-publishing-5493360"},"episode":{"title":"You Don't Need a Publisher: How Elle Griffin is Serializing Her Novels on Substack","slug":"you-don-t-need-a-publisher-how-elle-griffin-is-serializing-her-novels-on-substack","published_at":"2025-04-14T12:30:08+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-bleeders-about-book-writing-publishing-5493360/you-don-t-need-a-publisher-how-elle-griffin-is-serializing-her-novels-on-substack","show_page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-bleeders-about-book-writing-publishing-5493360","url":"https://www.spreaker.com/episode/you-don-t-need-a-publisher-how-elle-griffin-is-serializing-her-novels-on-substack--65562470","audio_url":"https://dts.podtrac.com/redirect.mp3/api.spreaker.com/download/episode/65562470/bleeders_e61_ellegriffinrerun_finalv1.mp3","summary":"Welcome, writers and book lovers. The Bleeders is a podcast about book writing and publishing. Make sure you subscribe to the companion Substack : https://thebleeders.substack.com/welcome Today's guest Elle Griffin set out to query her gothic novel and, in the process, made some disappointing discoveries about the publishing industry that led her to serialize it on Substack. In this episode from the archives, Elle shares her journey down this unconventional path that definitely has some upsides, like making $19K her first year on Substack and retaining the rights to her work. Elle also explains why Anne Lamott's shitty first draft advice does not work for her, what it's been like writing her second serialized novel as she's publishing it, and more. Elle is the author of the gothic novel Obscurity and the utopian novel called Oblivion . Subscribe to Elle's Substack, The Elysian , which has gone through a rebrand since we spoke. *If you're an aspiring or indie podcaster, subscribe to the Podcast Bestie Substack : https://podcastbestie.substack.com/welcome The Bleeders is hosted by Courtney Kocak. Follow her on Instagram @courtneykocak and Bluesky @courtneykocak.bsky.social . For more, check out her website courtneykocak.com . Courtney is teaching some upcoming workshops you might be interested in: Land Big Bylines by Writing for Columns : https://writingworkshops.com/products/land-big-bylines-by-writing-for-columns-zoom-seminar The Multi-Passionate Writer's Life : https://writingworkshops.com/products/the-multi-passionate-writers-life-zoom-seminar-with-courtney-kocak How to Build a “Platform” for Writers Who Shudder at the Thought : https://writingworkshops.com/products/how-to-build-a-platform-for-writers-who-shudder-at-the-thought-zoom-seminar Podcasting for Writers: Ho…","meta_description":"Welcome, writers and book lovers. The Bleeders is a podcast about book writing and publishing. Make sure you subscribe to the companion Substack : https:/…","key_points":[],"chapters":[],"topics":[],"duration_seconds":1661,"processing_state":"not_requested","actions":[{"name":"request_transcript","method":"POST","url":"https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/the-bleeders-about-book-writing-publishing-5493360/episodes/you-don-t-need-a-publisher-how-elle-griffin-is-serializing-her-novels-on-substack/transcription-requests","description":"Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode."},{"name":"read_markdown","method":"GET","url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-bleeders-about-book-writing-publishing-5493360/you-don-t-need-a-publisher-how-elle-griffin-is-serializing-her-novels-on-substack.md","description":"Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource."}]}}