{"podcast":{"title":"That UFO Podcast","slug":"that-ufo-podcast-129588","podcast_index_feed_id":129588,"rss_url":"https://audioboom.com/channels/5024014.rss","website_url":"https://audioboom.com/channels/5024014","image_url":"https://audioboom.com/i/42750712.png","author":"UFOUAPAM","episode_count":500,"summary":"Bringing you up to date news, interviews and guests from around the world of UFOs, UAP & connected phenomena Hosted by Andy McGrillen","last_synced_at":"2026-07-21T18:17:36.686678+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/that-ufo-podcast-129588"},"episode":{"title":"The UAP Legacy Program Fallout: Elizondo, Gerb, Coulthart & Controlled Disclosure","slug":"the-uap-legacy-program-fallout-elizondo-gerb-coulthart-controlled-disclosure","published_at":"2026-06-30T10:07:12+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/that-ufo-podcast-129588/the-uap-legacy-program-fallout-elizondo-gerb-coulthart-controlled-disclosure","show_page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/that-ufo-podcast-129588","url":"https://audioboom.com/posts/8922472","audio_url":"https://pscrb.fm/rss/p/dts.podtrac.com/redirect.mp3/audioboom.com/posts/8922472.mp3?modified=1782814497&sid=5024014&source=rss","summary":"In this special live discussion, I’m joined by Pavel from the Psicoactivo Podcast to break down one of the biggest flashpoints currently developing in the UAP conversation. Ross Coulthart and UAP Gerb have both raised serious questions around Lue Elizondo’s alleged past role within the so-called legacy program, his possible involvement in controlled disclosure, and whether he would be the right person to lead any future UAP transparency effort. We discuss what Ross said, why Gerb’s comments have landed so strongly, the rumoured “UAP czar” role, the divide between controlled disclosure and full transparency, and how David Grusch may have changed the entire direction of the conversation. We also get into the wider implications for whistleblowers, national security, amnesty, The Age of Disclosure, Jay Stratton’s upcoming book, and whether the UAP community is entering a new and more fractured phase. This is not about character assassination. It is a conversation about trust, disclosure, secrecy, and who the public should rely on as this topic moves forward. Check out Pavels show - https://www.youtube.com/@psicoactivopodcast 🔥 Support the show & get bonus content: 🛸 YouTube Memberships: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHw9Lru3EcpRQyM7AI5TlmA/join 🛸 Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/ThatUFOPodcast 🛸 Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/that-ufo-podcast/id1511121397 🛸 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7wnXUAQ3vwdsX1BoyaEvjZ 🛸 Buy Me a Coffee: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/ThatUFOPodcast 📲 Connect with the show: Twitter: @UFOUAPAM Facebook, Instagram & YouTube: That UFO Podcast YouTube: YouTube.com/c/ThatUFOPodcast Email: UFOUAPAM@gmail.com All links: https://linktr.ee/ufouapam Official Website: ThatUFOPodcast.com 👍 Don’t forget to subscribe, li…","meta_description":"In this special live discussion, I’m joined by Pavel from the Psicoactivo Podcast to break down one of the biggest flashpoints currently developing in the…","key_points":[],"chapters":[],"topics":[],"duration_seconds":5957,"processing_state":"not_requested","actions":[{"name":"request_transcript","method":"POST","url":"https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/that-ufo-podcast-129588/episodes/the-uap-legacy-program-fallout-elizondo-gerb-coulthart-controlled-disclosure/transcription-requests","description":"Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode."},{"name":"read_markdown","method":"GET","url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/that-ufo-podcast-129588/the-uap-legacy-program-fallout-elizondo-gerb-coulthart-controlled-disclosure.md","description":"Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource."}]}}