{"podcast":{"title":"Talks by Zen Roshi, Lola McDowell Lee","slug":"talks-by-zen-roshi-lola-mcdowell-lee-6423598","podcast_index_feed_id":6423598,"rss_url":"https://media.rss.com/ing-publishing/feed.xml","website_url":"https://rss.com/podcasts/ing-publishing","image_url":"https://media.rss.com/ing-publishing/20230817_120814_85fafd61824aa95fd155cb2b0c194620.jpg","author":"I & A Publishing","episode_count":141,"summary":"This is a series of newly digitized talks by spiritual teacher, Lola McDowell Lee, spanning two decades—from the early Seventies through the Nineties. Lola was a Zen Roshi whose Rinzai lineage included Doctor Henry Platov and renowned Zen master, Shigetsu Sasaki. Lola was a religious scholar as well as an ordained Christian minister. While the talks are focused mainly on Zen and Buddhism, Lola drew on many spiritual traditions—including those of Jesus, Plato, Lao-Tzu, the Hindu Vedas, Meister Eckhart and Gurdjieff. If you find Lola’s talks valuable, more will be posted in days to come. RSSVERIFY","last_synced_at":"2026-07-26T18:18:31.447349+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/talks-by-zen-roshi-lola-mcdowell-lee-6423598"},"episode":{"title":"Emptiness is not nothingness. Jul 14, 1986","slug":"emptiness-is-not-nothingness-jul-14-1986","published_at":"2026-05-16T19:09:27+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/talks-by-zen-roshi-lola-mcdowell-lee-6423598/emptiness-is-not-nothingness-jul-14-1986","show_page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/talks-by-zen-roshi-lola-mcdowell-lee-6423598","url":"https://rss.com/podcasts/ing-publishing/2825477","audio_url":"https://content.rss.com/episodes/214545/2825477/ing-publishing/2026_05_14_18_10_33_a0d6d4a1-62b5-4d97-8af5-9809078f0308.mp3","summary":"Zen Roshi, Lola McDowell Lee, discusses the concept of the \"Unborn,\" the central teaching of Master Bankei. Lola recounts the story of an arrogant Abbot trying to challenge Bankei. The Abbot told his congregation, “If I put a difficult question to him, I can stymie him with just one word. So saying this, he went off to see this supposed master. And here in this large crowd, in the middle of the talk, the Abbot shouted in his booming voice, “Everyone here accepts your sermon and believes it. But someone educated like myself doesn't accept. If a person doesn't accept, how are you going to save him?” And Bankei raised his fan and says, “Come forward.” So the Abbot went forward to stand before him. And then Bankei says, come a little closer. So the abbot shuffled forward again. And Bankei looks at him and says, “See how well you accept what I say?” Indian patriarch Nagarjuna’s doctrine of Shunyata , or emptiness. This emptiness is not a nihilistic nothingness or an absence, but rather an absolute state where relativity disappears. The Prajñāpāramitā represents a noetic leap across the abyss of contradiction. To explain, Lola uses the metaphor of passing through a chain-link fence into a garden that the mind could never have previously imagined. One should not waste time speculating about what is on the other side, as the mental process is inherently dualistic and incapable of grasping the Absolute. Lola discusses the human condition through the lens of the Five Aggregates. Everything in the phenomenal world—cells, organs, and thoughts —is a temporary aggregation of elements. By examining the body, one realizes there is no permanent, self-existing entity to be found. This leads to the practice of the via negativa , or the path of negation. Through non-attachment and non-jud…","meta_description":"Zen Roshi, Lola McDowell Lee, discusses the concept of the \"Unborn,\" the central teaching of Master Bankei. Lola recounts the story of an arrogant Abbot t…","key_points":[],"chapters":[],"topics":[],"duration_seconds":3655,"processing_state":"not_requested","actions":[{"name":"request_transcript","method":"POST","url":"https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/talks-by-zen-roshi-lola-mcdowell-lee-6423598/episodes/emptiness-is-not-nothingness-jul-14-1986/transcription-requests","description":"Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode."},{"name":"read_markdown","method":"GET","url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/talks-by-zen-roshi-lola-mcdowell-lee-6423598/emptiness-is-not-nothingness-jul-14-1986.md","description":"Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource."}]}}