{"podcast":{"title":"Sourcery","slug":"sourcery-6853139","podcast_index_feed_id":6853139,"rss_url":"https://anchor.fm/s/f192713c/podcast/rss","website_url":"https://www.sourcery.vc","image_url":"https://d3t3ozftmdmh3i.cloudfront.net/staging/podcast_uploaded_nologo/40429063/40429063-1777331323919-38ab3ebcb33f6.jpg","author":"Sourcery with Molly O'Shea","episode_count":178,"summary":"Interviews with the top Investors, CEOs, & Founders","last_synced_at":"2026-07-22T22:18:35.948107+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/sourcery-6853139"},"episode":{"title":"The Token-Maxxing Bill That Shocks Every CFO — & the Fix","slug":"the-token-maxxing-bill-that-shocks-every-cfo-the-fix","published_at":"2026-06-01T14:00:00+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/sourcery-6853139/the-token-maxxing-bill-that-shocks-every-cfo-the-fix","show_page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/sourcery-6853139","url":"https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/sourcery/episodes/The-Token-Maxxing-Bill-That-Shocks-Every-CFO---the-Fix-e3k5pll","audio_url":"https://anchor.fm/s/f192713c/podcast/play/120824949/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2026-5-1%2F425267968-44100-2-c31bdfacebf76.mp3","summary":"Merge co-founders Shensi Ding (CEO) and Gil Feig (CTO) join Sourcery for a wide-ranging conversation on building AI infrastructure that quietly powers some of the biggest companies in tech — including OpenAI, Perplexity, Netflix, Uber, Mistral, and Dropbox. They break down Merge's three-product suite (Unified, Agent Handler, and Gateway), the make-or-break month that pushed them to rebuild around AI, and why they now believe "English is your programming language." Gil gets candid on the state of AI security — supply chain attacks, agentic code flooding GitHub, and why the scariest threat is always internal. Shensi shares hard-won hiring philosophy (missionaries vs. mercenaries), her admiration for Benioff and the "beginner's mind," and a hot take on companies over-engineering their own models. Plus: the SaaSpocalypse, the brutal reality of token-maxxing bills, governing employee AI access, headless Salesforce, and whether today's AI valuations make any sense at all. Shensi Ding: https://x.com/shensi Gil Feig: https://x.com/GilFeig Molly O’Shea: https://x.com/MollySOShea Sourcery: ⁠ https://x.com/sourceryy 𝐄𝐏𝐈𝐒𝐎𝐃𝐄 𝐋𝐈𝐍𝐊𝐒 YouTube: https://youtu.be/SjrejHEAdeg 𝐒𝐏𝐎𝐍𝐒𝐎𝐑𝐒 • Brex —The modern finance platform, combining the world’s smartest corporate card with integrated expense management, banking, bill pay, & travel. https://brex.com/sourcery • Turing —Turing delivers top-tier talent, data, and tools to help AI labs improve model performance—and enables enterprises to turn those models into powerful, production-ready systems. https://turing.com/sourcery • VCX —VCX is the public ticker for private tech, allowing investors of all sizes to invest in venture capital. View The Portfolio at http://GetVCX.com • Deel —Deel is the global people platform that he…","meta_description":"Merge co-founders Shensi Ding (CEO) and Gil Feig (CTO) join Sourcery for a wide-ranging conversation on building AI infrastructure that quietly powers som…","key_points":[],"chapters":[],"topics":[],"duration_seconds":3305,"processing_state":"not_requested","actions":[{"name":"request_transcript","method":"POST","url":"https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/sourcery-6853139/episodes/the-token-maxxing-bill-that-shocks-every-cfo-the-fix/transcription-requests","description":"Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode."},{"name":"read_markdown","method":"GET","url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/sourcery-6853139/the-token-maxxing-bill-that-shocks-every-cfo-the-fix.md","description":"Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource."}]}}