{"podcast":{"title":"Sounds of SAND","slug":"sounds-of-sand-5690251","podcast_index_feed_id":5690251,"rss_url":"https://app.kajabi.com/podcasts/2147505844/feed","website_url":"https://we.scienceandnonduality.com/podcasts/sounds-of-sand","image_url":"https://kajabi-storefronts-production.kajabi-cdn.com/kajabi-storefronts-production/file-uploads/site/2147497225/podcasts/ebee3ce-a804-46ad-65c1-b6f30c8bce_sounds-of-sand-2023-3000.png","author":"Science and Nonduality","episode_count":177,"summary":"Sounds of SAND invites listeners into a contemplative journey through the infinite cycles of existence - from its raw beauty to its deepest mysteries, from its intricate complexity to its profound wonder. Through intimate conversations, thought-provoking interviews, poetic readings, and carefully curated music, we weave together ancient wisdom with lived experience, creating a tapestry of sound that honors the great questions of being","last_synced_at":"2026-07-10T00:20:30.350731+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/sounds-of-sand-5690251"},"episode":{"title":"The Indigenous Paradigm: Pat McCabe & Lynn Murphy","slug":"the-indigenous-paradigm-pat-mccabe-lynn-murphy","published_at":"2026-05-07T13:00:00+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/sounds-of-sand-5690251/the-indigenous-paradigm-pat-mccabe-lynn-murphy","show_page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/sounds-of-sand-5690251","url":"https://we.scienceandnonduality.com/podcasts/sounds-of-sand/episodes/2149203697","audio_url":"https://app.kajabi.com/podcasts/medias/2149203697.mp3","summary":"Originally recorded at Science and Nonduality, 2021 Pat McCabe, also known as Woman Stands Shining, is a Diné elder, ceremonial prayer leader, and international speaker adopted into the Lakota spiritual way of life. In this conversation hosted by Lynn Murphy, Pat offers a profound invitation to examine the foundational assumptions of the modern world paradigm and consider what it might mean to live from a genuinely different understanding of what it is to be human. Drawing on teachings from her clan grandfather, her experience of intergenerational trauma and survival, and her deep inquiry into masculine and feminine principles, Pat maps the territory between the glittering world we are leaving and the green world we are entering. The conversation opens in ceremony and closes with a practice: a morning sunrise offering that anyone can begin today. Lynn Murphy is a strategic advisor for foundations and NGOs working in the geopolitical South. She was a senior fellow and program officer at the William and Flora Hewlett Foundation where she focused on international education and global development. She resigned as a ”conscientious objector” to neocolonial philanthropy. She holds an MA and PhD in international comparative education from Stanford University. She is also a certified Laban/Bartenieff movement analyst. This episode is released in celebration of SAND’s new film featuring Pat McCabe, Little Singer , premiering online May 26-28, 2026, as part of the Eternal Song series. Timestamps 00:00:00 — Introduction  00:01:45 — Lynn Murphy introduces Pat McCabe: Diné nation, Lakota spiritual way, Defend the Sacred alliance 00:05:00 — Pat introduces herself through her clans — clan names as places on the earth, worlds more than this one 00:07:00 — Traveling through worlds:…","meta_description":"Originally recorded at Science and Nonduality, 2021 Pat McCabe, also known as Woman Stands Shining, is a Diné elder, ceremonial prayer leader, and interna…","key_points":[],"chapters":[],"topics":[],"duration_seconds":3707,"processing_state":"not_requested","actions":[{"name":"request_transcript","method":"POST","url":"https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/sounds-of-sand-5690251/episodes/the-indigenous-paradigm-pat-mccabe-lynn-murphy/transcription-requests","description":"Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode."},{"name":"read_markdown","method":"GET","url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/sounds-of-sand-5690251/the-indigenous-paradigm-pat-mccabe-lynn-murphy.md","description":"Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource."}]}}