{"podcast":{"title":"Sounds of SAND","slug":"sounds-of-sand-5690251","podcast_index_feed_id":5690251,"rss_url":"https://app.kajabi.com/podcasts/2147505844/feed","website_url":"https://we.scienceandnonduality.com/podcasts/sounds-of-sand","image_url":"https://kajabi-storefronts-production.kajabi-cdn.com/kajabi-storefronts-production/file-uploads/site/2147497225/podcasts/ebee3ce-a804-46ad-65c1-b6f30c8bce_sounds-of-sand-2023-3000.png","author":"Science and Nonduality","episode_count":177,"summary":"Sounds of SAND invites listeners into a contemplative journey through the infinite cycles of existence - from its raw beauty to its deepest mysteries, from its intricate complexity to its profound wonder. Through intimate conversations, thought-provoking interviews, poetic readings, and carefully curated music, we weave together ancient wisdom with lived experience, creating a tapestry of sound that honors the great questions of being","last_synced_at":"2026-07-10T00:20:30.350731+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/sounds-of-sand-5690251"},"episode":{"title":"Reigniting Indigenous Science: Maceo Carrillo Martinet","slug":"reigniting-indigenous-science-maceo-carrillo-martinet","published_at":"2026-07-09T13:00:00+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/sounds-of-sand-5690251/reigniting-indigenous-science-maceo-carrillo-martinet","show_page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/sounds-of-sand-5690251","url":"https://we.scienceandnonduality.com/podcasts/sounds-of-sand/episodes/2149227605","audio_url":"https://app.kajabi.com/podcasts/medias/2149227605.mp3","summary":"Restoration ecologist and author Dr. Maceo Carrillo Martinet joins us to talk about his new book Healing the Land Teaches Us Who We Are: How Indigenous Cultural Resistance Can Restore the Earth, Recover Community, and Create Sustainable Futures . Grounded in over two decades of community-based restoration work across New Mexico, Maceo makes the case that the climate solutions we're searching for already exist and are already being practiced by communities around the world. The book is structured around the four elements — water, earth, fire, and air — treating each not as a category but as a relative with something to say. We move through the memory of ancient Pueblo dry-land farming still visible on La Bajada Mesa, the racism embedded in the history of American fire suppression, and the idea that culture and science were never actually separate to begin with. A conversation about returning to first principles, in a time when the polycrisis makes that return feel urgent. Guest Dr. Maceo Carrillo Martinet is an award-winning restoration ecologist who has spent over 20 years co-creating community-based restoration and education projects across New Mexico and beyond. Since 2008, he has worked with the Partners for Fish and Wildlife Program, assisting private landowners, tribes, cities, and counties. He holds a PhD in biology from the University of New Mexico with a focus on ecology, freshwater sciences, and environmental education. He teaches a hands-on course at UNM on watershed and community restoration. Topics 00:00 — Introduction 00:02 — The Rio Grande community tree planting during COVID 00:06 — Wounds as portals: what the pandemic revealed 00:09 — La Bajada Mesa & ancient Pueblo dry-land farming 00:14 — Redefining Indigenous science as communal science 00:20 — T…","meta_description":"Restoration ecologist and author Dr. Maceo Carrillo Martinet joins us to talk about his new book Healing the Land Teaches Us Who We Are: How Indigenous Cu…","key_points":[],"chapters":[],"topics":[],"duration_seconds":3010,"processing_state":"not_requested","actions":[{"name":"request_transcript","method":"POST","url":"https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/sounds-of-sand-5690251/episodes/reigniting-indigenous-science-maceo-carrillo-martinet/transcription-requests","description":"Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode."},{"name":"read_markdown","method":"GET","url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/sounds-of-sand-5690251/reigniting-indigenous-science-maceo-carrillo-martinet.md","description":"Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource."}]}}