{"podcast":{"title":"Smart Friends","slug":"smart-friends-2136135","podcast_index_feed_id":2136135,"rss_url":"https://feeds.megaphone.fm/SOMC8581176390","website_url":"https://www.ejorgenson.com/podcast/","image_url":"https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/fae742a2-db05-11ec-a787-5b6fc0a4f209/image/ad94dd4d3d8679e0de87602a070d58f9.jpg?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&max-w=3000&max-h=3000&fit=crop&auto=format,compress","author":"Eric Jorgenson","episode_count":123,"summary":"Casual conversations with founders, technologists, investors, and artists about building a brighter future, together. Welcome to our digital living room. With science, technology and entrepreneurship we can *continue* to create unfathomable leaps in quality of life. We show you how to find, apply, build, and invest in technologies to change your life and the world. When we have smart friends, we do smart things. When we do smart things, we save the world. No matter who, where, or when you are – now you have smart friends, too. Outside this podcast, I’m the author of The Almanack of Naval Ravikant and The Anthology of Balaji. Connect at ejorgenson.com Laugh and learn with people like Balaji Srinivasan, Naval Ravikant, Andrew Wilkinson, Austen Allred, David Senra, Josh Storrs Hall, Ashley Rindsberg, Zach Pettet, Bret Kugelmass, Omar ElNaggar, Grace Guo, Brett Kopf, Max Olson, Chris Williamson, Shane Mac, Tim Hwang, David Perell, Jason Hitchcock, Natalia Karayaneva, Sebastian Marshall, Taylor Pearson, Mitchell Baldridge and more. Join conversations with my partners in early-stage tech investing, Bo Fishback and Al Doan. Our Rolling Fun Episodes cover our investments and escapades as…","last_synced_at":null,"page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/smart-friends-2136135"},"episode":{"title":"#103 How to Destroy Bad Ideas Without Killing Relationships [The Dionysus Program with Sean Devine​]","slug":"103-how-to-destroy-bad-ideas-without-killing-relationships-the-dionysus-program-with-sean-devine","published_at":"2026-05-19T13:46:00+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/smart-friends-2136135/103-how-to-destroy-bad-ideas-without-killing-relationships-the-dionysus-program-with-sean-devine","show_page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/smart-friends-2136135","url":"https://www.ejorgenson.com/podcast","audio_url":"https://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/pdst.fm/e/traffic.megaphone.fm/DTSOS9835890370.mp3","summary":"Topics: (00:00:00) - Intro (00:01:23) - Reading the forward to Sean’s new book (00:09:30) - What problem were you experiencing that sparked these ideas? (00:12:30) - Sean’s early arrival to AI (00:23:15) - Identity (00:27:55) - Defining Apollo and Dionysus (00:34:47) - Understanding and uncertainty (00:38:26) - Tools to deal with uncertainty (00:50:27) - Tools for metabolism (01:03:25) - Ritual time and run time (01:11:30) - Building trust to have hard conversations (01:13:40) - The key pillars of the Dionysus Program (01:37:09) - Applying this thinking across organizations and life (01:45:28) - Applying Apollo/Dionysus to investing (01:57:10) - Observing the learning rate of an organization (02:03:08) - Closing thoughts Links: The Dionysus Program - https://www.dionysusprogram.com/ To support the costs of producing this podcast: >> Buy a copy of the Navalmanack: www.navalmanack.com/ >> Buy a copy of The Anthology of Balaji: https://balajianthology.com/ >> Sign up for my online course and community about building your Personal Leverage: https://www.ejorgenson.com/leverage >> Invest in early-stage companies alongside Eric and his partners at Rolling Fun: https://angel.co/v/back/rolling-fun >> Join the free weekly email list at ejorgenson.com/newsletter >> Text the podcast to a friend >> Or at least give the podcast a positive review to help us reach new listeners! Important Quotes from the podcast on Business and Entrepreneurship There is no skill called “business.” Avoid business magazines and business classes. - Naval Ravikant You have to work up to the point where you can own equity in a business. You could own equity as a small shareholder where you bought stock. You could also own it as an owner where you started the company. Ownership is really important. Everybod…","meta_description":"Topics: (00:00:00) - Intro (00:01:23) - Reading the forward to Sean’s new book (00:09:30) - What problem were you experiencing that sparked these ideas? 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