{"podcast":{"title":"Signal & Noise","slug":"signal-noise-7426109","podcast_index_feed_id":7426109,"rss_url":"https://anchor.fm/s/103996624/podcast/rss","website_url":"https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/signal--noise3","image_url":"https://d3t3ozftmdmh3i.cloudfront.net/staging/podcast_uploaded_nologo/43453521/43453521-1767645002585-c1b4bd12f2185.jpg","author":"Signal and Noise","episode_count":60,"summary":"Join advertising industry veterans Brett House and Rio Longacre as they share regular updates and analysis on the changing world of data, tech, and AI. You’ll hear real talk from thought leaders across industries about the latest trends having the biggest impact on our jobs… and lives. Signal & Noise means no BS - only straight talk and first-hand insights from leading operators, creators, and founders.","last_synced_at":"2026-07-24T22:18:39.858872+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/signal-noise-7426109"},"episode":{"title":"Ad Fraud, Part 2: Dr. Augustine Fou on Hidden Fees, Phantom Outcomes, and the Agentic Al Trap","slug":"ad-fraud-part-2-dr-augustine-fou-on-hidden-fees-phantom-outcomes-and-the-agentic-al-trap","published_at":"2026-04-15T15:00:00+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/signal-noise-7426109/ad-fraud-part-2-dr-augustine-fou-on-hidden-fees-phantom-outcomes-and-the-agentic-al-trap","show_page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/signal-noise-7426109","url":"https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/signal--noise3/episodes/Ad-Fraud--Part-2-Dr--Augustine-Fou-on-Hidden-Fees--Phantom-Outcomes--and-the-Agentic-Al-Trap-e3hnfjr","audio_url":"https://anchor.fm/s/103996624/podcast/play/118258747/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2026-3-10%2F421809777-44100-2-04b27aee804da.mp3","summary":"In Part 1, we talked about bots. In Part 2… we follow the money. Brett and Rio sit down again with Dr. Augustine Fou, and this time the conversation goes deeper—and gets a lot more uncomfortable. Because the real issue isn’t just fraud. It’s the system that quietly profits from it. We break down what actually happens between the moment a marketer places a bid and the moment a publisher gets paid. The gap is bigger than most people realize. In one example, a $1.50 CPM turns into just $0.15 for the publisher. In another, increasing your bid doesn’t get you better inventory—it just means someone in the middle keeps more of your money. And a lot of what gets reported as “performance” can be completely fabricated—clicks, conversions, even analytics data . This episode is about that hidden layer most teams never see: take rates, pass-through opacity, spoofed supply, and the growing gap between what advertisers pay and what publishers actually receive. Then we turn to what’s coming next: agentic AI. Because if your inputs are broken, automation doesn’t fix it—it just scales the problem faster. The same systems that already struggle with transparency are now being handed more autonomy, more budget, and more control. We get into why blended averages hide the truth, why the industry’s long-standing “1% fraud” narrative doesn’t hold up, and why so many optimization systems are quietly steering budgets toward cheaper, lower-quality inventory. We also unpack the difference between “attention” and actual human engagement—and why so much of what’s sold today is closer to performance theater than real outcomes. By the end, this isn’t just a critique—it’s a playbook. If you’re a marketer, this episode will change how you think about where your dollars are going, who’s extracting value…","meta_description":"In Part 1, we talked about bots. In Part 2… we follow the money. Brett and Rio sit down again with Dr. Augustine Fou, and this time the conversation goes…","key_points":[],"chapters":[],"topics":[],"duration_seconds":4218,"processing_state":"not_requested","actions":[{"name":"request_transcript","method":"POST","url":"https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/signal-noise-7426109/episodes/ad-fraud-part-2-dr-augustine-fou-on-hidden-fees-phantom-outcomes-and-the-agentic-al-trap/transcription-requests","description":"Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode."},{"name":"read_markdown","method":"GET","url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/signal-noise-7426109/ad-fraud-part-2-dr-augustine-fou-on-hidden-fees-phantom-outcomes-and-the-agentic-al-trap.md","description":"Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource."}]}}