{"podcast":{"title":"Safe Doesn't Scale","slug":"safe-doesn-t-scale-7693846","podcast_index_feed_id":7693846,"rss_url":"https://feeds.captivate.fm/limelight/","website_url":"https://www.limelighthq.com/","image_url":"https://artwork.captivate.fm/acfbba0c-a85e-4aa3-9cd2-d33855c85dcd/SDS-Artwork.jpg","author":"David Walsh","episode_count":20,"summary":"\"What's the ROI?\" Those three words kill more creative marketing ideas than bad execution ever will. Not here. Safe Doesn't Scale is a weekly podcast for marketing and growth leaders. We’ll be interviewing Heads of Marketing, Unicorn Founders, and Revenue Leaders at B2B companies to prove that the riskiest marketing campaigns drive the biggest returns. While brands are burning $500K on LinkedIn ads that are generating zero demos, there’s someone out there who closed a $2M deal they sourced from a meme. Host David Walsh, Founder of Limelight, breaks down real examples from brands spending less and converting more by leaning into creator-led growth, unconventional distribution, and campaigns that make traditional marketers panic. You’ll learn: How growth leaders sell “unsafe” ideas to the C-suite How to attribute sales pipeline to content, creators, and social signals Why the campaigns that feel uncomfortable often drive the most revenue No e-book downloads. No buzzwords. This show is for marketers with a chip on their shoulder who are tired of playing it safe. We celebrate the campaigns that make legal sweat and sales teams crush quota. Because marketers who don't take risks won't…","last_synced_at":"2026-07-09T16:20:37.514205+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/safe-doesn-t-scale-7693846"},"episode":{"title":"GEO Is What SEO Was in 2005 🚀 The Window Is Open Right Now (with Jason Patel from OpenForge AI) | Ep. 4","slug":"geo-is-what-seo-was-in-2005-the-window-is-open-right-now-with-jason-patel-from-openforge-ai-ep-4","published_at":"2026-03-05T07:00:00+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/safe-doesn-t-scale-7693846/geo-is-what-seo-was-in-2005-the-window-is-open-right-now-with-jason-patel-from-openforge-ai-ep-4","show_page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/safe-doesn-t-scale-7693846","url":"https://www.limelighthq.com/","audio_url":"https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/06947421-05be-484f-b77b-75964fd2b7aa.mp3","summary":"Traffic is down 10-30% across nearly every B2B company. And yet you still can't afford to stop creating content. That's the paradox at the center of this conversation - and the tension that makes it worth your time. ㅤ David Walsh sits down with Jason Patel , CEO and co-founder of OpenForge AI , to break down why top-of-funnel content is dying, what to do instead, and why the companies ignoring GEO and AEO right now are going to regret it. This is the SEO-in-2005 moment, and most marketing teams are still asleep. ㅤ Jason draws from conversations with roughly 2,000 companies, two founder journeys, and a bootstrap exit to lay out a practical, no-fluff framework for getting your brand seen by AI search engines. He also gets personal about the mistakes that cost him money, time, and margin early on - and what he's doing differently this time around. ㅤ Guest Bio Jason Patel is the CEO and co-founder of OpenForge AI , a platform of AI agents that helps businesses grow their brand visibility on AI search engines and outrank the competition. Before OpenForge AI, Jason built and sold an edtech company, running a bootstrapped SEO operation that consistently outranked competitors who had raised $40 to $60 million. He exited that company in August 2023. He's also a Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu brown belt. ㅤ What We Cover Why top of funnel content is dying: Jason explains how AI systems like ChatGPT, Gemini, and Perplexity have no incentive to cite generic informational content - and what that means for your traffic right now. The content paradox: The top of the funnel is being automated and subsumed by AI, yet you still can't afford to stop creating content. The answer is to shift the focus to commercial and transactional intent queries instead. The BLUF Method and liftable content: Jason b…","meta_description":"Traffic is down 10-30% across nearly every B2B company. And yet you still can't afford to stop creating content. 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