{"podcast":{"title":"SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders","slug":"saas-interviews-with-ceos-startups-founders-46902","podcast_index_feed_id":46902,"rss_url":"https://nathanlatkathetop.libsyn.com/rss","website_url":"http://getlatka.com","image_url":"https://static.libsyn.com/p/assets/a/9/2/c/a92c13a488d25883e5bbc093207a2619/Master_Template.png","author":"Nathan Latka","episode_count":3086,"summary":"What if you knew data behind the fastest growing SaaS companies today? Each morning join Nathan Latka as he spends 15 minutes interviewing SaaS founders. You'll learn how SaaS CEO's launched their startup and grew it into a real SaaS business. SaaS Founders range from bootstrapped to funded, MVP to 10,000 customers, pre revenue to pre IPO.","last_synced_at":"2026-06-04T04:19:10.512238+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/saas-interviews-with-ceos-startups-founders-46902"},"episode":{"title":"Golf Genius: $53M ARR, $10M Self-Funded, Zero VC — Mike Zisman","slug":"golf-genius-53m-arr-10m-self-funded-zero-vc-mike-zisman","published_at":"2026-06-03T13:28:00+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/saas-interviews-with-ceos-startups-founders-46902/golf-genius-53m-arr-10m-self-funded-zero-vc-mike-zisman","show_page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/saas-interviews-with-ceos-startups-founders-46902","url":"https://nathanlatkathetop.libsyn.com/golf-genius-53m-arr-10m-self-funded-zero-vc-mike-zisman","audio_url":"https://podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/traffic.libsyn.com/secure/nathanlatkathetop/golf-genius-zisman-53m-arr-bootstrapped-profitable-ep.mp3?dest-id=284781","summary":"How do you build a $53M ARR software company, stay profitable for eight straight years, and give 60% of the cap table to your employees — without ever taking a venture check? Mike Zisman is the founder and CEO of Golf Genius, the dominant tournament management and handicapping platform for golf clubs worldwide. He self-funded $10M of his own money as interest-free debt, did 10 acquisitions before hitting $60M in revenue, and today sits on $14M cash while printing 20% EBITDA margins with 300 employees across the US and Cluj, Romania. You'll learn: Why Mike structured his entire $10M founder investment as debt instead of equity — and how it created a tax shield that paid him back on the way out How the USGA handicapping contract in 2019 transformed Golf Genius from a niche club tool into the infrastructure layer of global golf How Golf Genius went from $0 to $1M ARR in 8 years, then from $1M to $53M in the next 8 — and what the USGA relationship had to do with the inflection point Why 50% of his 300-person team are engineers based in Cluj, Romania — and how that structural cost advantage funds 20% EBITDA while competitors burn cash The exact three-phase acquisition strategy: legacy desktop customer rollups, league expansion, then B2C mobile apps with 8M+ users How Mike negotiated the GolfShot acquisition — and why he forced their entire cap table behind a single LLC before closing Why employees own 60% of the cap table at $53M ARR and how that drives 6-7% annual attrition across the entire company including Romania What Mike would say if a PE firm offered $400M all cash today — and why he says he's more excited about what's next than he's been in years Why he thinks AI will make SaaS companies radically more productive, not obsolete — from a founder whose doctoral thesis…","meta_description":"How do you build a $53M ARR software company, stay profitable for eight straight years, and give 60% of the cap table to your employees — without ever tak…","key_points":[],"chapters":[],"topics":[],"duration_seconds":1122,"processing_state":"not_requested","actions":[{"name":"request_transcript","method":"POST","url":"https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/saas-interviews-with-ceos-startups-founders-46902/episodes/golf-genius-53m-arr-10m-self-funded-zero-vc-mike-zisman/transcription-requests","description":"Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode."},{"name":"read_markdown","method":"GET","url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/saas-interviews-with-ceos-startups-founders-46902/golf-genius-53m-arr-10m-self-funded-zero-vc-mike-zisman.md","description":"Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource."}]}}