{"podcast":{"title":"Religion on the Mind","slug":"religion-on-the-mind-698478","podcast_index_feed_id":698478,"rss_url":"https://feeds.megaphone.fm/ALHT9909178333","website_url":"https://www.religiononthemind.com/","image_url":"https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/6423ff80-74fd-11ed-8beb-cbfae0fad605/image/9e01ca0389cd3c05197dfd2d606afe40.jpg?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&max-w=3000&max-h=3000&fit=crop&auto=format,compress","author":"Religion on the Mind","episode_count":428,"summary":"Interviews with experts, writers, psychologists and more on the intersection between psychology, religion and spirituality… with a little bit of cussing. dan@religiononthemind.com","last_synced_at":"2026-06-08T22:21:06.458923+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/religion-on-the-mind-698478"},"episode":{"title":"Sh*tty Minister’s Club with Lillian Daniel (#394)","slug":"sh-tty-minister-s-club-with-lillian-daniel-394","published_at":"2026-04-13T10:00:00+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/religion-on-the-mind-698478/sh-tty-minister-s-club-with-lillian-daniel-394","show_page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/religion-on-the-mind-698478","url":"https://traffic.megaphone.fm/TOREC2667491800.mp3?updated=1776037505","audio_url":"https://traffic.megaphone.fm/TOREC2667491800.mp3?updated=1776037505","summary":"Lillian Daniel returns after five years to discuss her new book Defrocked: Good News from a Bad Pastor for a Better Church — a candid, often funny, and deeply human account of the misconduct process she underwent in the UCC, what it taught her about identity, boundaries, and shame, and how she eventually found her way back to ministry. Highlights: Power, process, and accountability Over-identification with vocation Boundaries (and the lack thereof) Shame vs. guilt, done right Lillian's New Book | Defrocked: Good News from a Bad Pastor for a Better Church Previous episode with Lillian: The Most & Least Plausible Christian Claims (#117) ___________________________________________ Follow Dan on IG: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠www.instagram.com/dancoke/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Or Twitter: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠twitter.com/DanKoch⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Faith deconstruction resources: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠www.soyouredeconstructing.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠patreon.com/dankoch⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Email about the \"sliding scale\" for the Patreon: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ YHP Patron-only FB group: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Website: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠www.dankochwords.com/yhp.html⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Join Dan's email list: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠www.dankochwords.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Artwork by ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Nickryanluevano.com⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices","meta_description":"Lillian Daniel returns after five years to discuss her new book Defrocked: Good News from a Bad Pastor for a Better Church — a candid, often funny, and de…","key_points":[],"chapters":[],"topics":[],"duration_seconds":4932,"processing_state":"not_requested","actions":[{"name":"request_transcript","method":"POST","url":"https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/religion-on-the-mind-698478/episodes/sh-tty-minister-s-club-with-lillian-daniel-394/transcription-requests","description":"Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode."},{"name":"read_markdown","method":"GET","url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/religion-on-the-mind-698478/sh-tty-minister-s-club-with-lillian-daniel-394.md","description":"Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource."}]}}