{"podcast":{"title":"Refining Rhetoric with Robert Bortins","slug":"refining-rhetoric-with-robert-bortins-5054945","podcast_index_feed_id":5054945,"rss_url":"https://feeds.libsyn.com/401489/rss","website_url":"https://sites.libsyn.com/401489","image_url":"https://static.libsyn.com/p/assets/3/b/0/0/3b00354f64c1942ea04421dee9605cbd/RR_ThumbnailGraphic_3000px_2023_FINAL.jpeg","author":"Classical Conversations","episode_count":238,"summary":"Refining Rhetoric with CEO Robert Bortins. A podcast where faith, business, politics, and classical education meet. Join us as we use the Classical tools of rhetoric to seek truth in every arena of life.","last_synced_at":null,"page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/refining-rhetoric-with-robert-bortins-5054945"},"episode":{"title":"Is the Pro-Life Movement Getting It Wrong?","slug":"is-the-pro-life-movement-getting-it-wrong","published_at":"2026-04-08T20:01:00+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/refining-rhetoric-with-robert-bortins-5054945/is-the-pro-life-movement-getting-it-wrong","show_page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/refining-rhetoric-with-robert-bortins-5054945","url":"https://f5cb5cc3-2fc4-4efd-b324-efc0ff5dd1de.libsyn.com/is-the-pro-life-movement-getting-it-wrong","audio_url":"https://traffic.libsyn.com/secure/f5cb5cc3-2fc4-4efd-b324-efc0ff5dd1de/RR_Pate_Anglin_2.mp3?dest-id=3314576","summary":"What does it actually mean to abolish abortion — not just restrict it? In this episode of Refining Rhetoric , host Robert Bortins sits down with Classical Conversations graduate and Students for Abolition president Pate Anglin to discuss why a biblical abolitionist framework goes further than the mainstream pro-life movement — and how student chapters across 8 states are taking that fight to college campuses, state capitals, and beyond. Pate Anglin grew up in a homeschooling household shaped by classical education, faith, and the intentional discipleship of his parents — and he credits that foundation with preparing him for what he encountered at East Tennessee State University. Entering college in 2021 on a full-ride leadership scholarship, Pate quickly found himself navigating pronoun mandates, ideological pressure, and a campus culture hostile to a biblical worldview. Rather than retreating, he leaned in — and what started as a small group of young men praying in a dorm room became Students for Abolition, a rapidly growing network now active on 14 campuses across 7 states and into Canada. In this conversation, Robert and Pate dig into what truly separates the abolitionist position from mainstream pro-life strategy. Pate argues that much of the pro-life movement — though well-intentioned — has unknowingly adopted a humanistic framework, opposing abortion because it \"pollutes the water\" or \"hurts mothers\" rather than because it violates God's law. He walks through the abolitionist acronym GATES (Gospel-centered, Aligned through the church, Engaged biblically, Sought immediately) and explains how rooting the argument in Scripture changes everything — including how the law can function as a tool for tutoring society, restraining evil, and even serving as a gateway to th…","meta_description":"What does it actually mean to abolish abortion — not just restrict it? In this episode of Refining Rhetoric , host Robert Bortins sits down with Classical…","key_points":[],"chapters":[],"topics":[],"duration_seconds":3136,"processing_state":"not_requested","actions":[{"name":"request_transcript","method":"POST","url":"https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/refining-rhetoric-with-robert-bortins-5054945/episodes/is-the-pro-life-movement-getting-it-wrong/transcription-requests","description":"Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode."},{"name":"read_markdown","method":"GET","url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/refining-rhetoric-with-robert-bortins-5054945/is-the-pro-life-movement-getting-it-wrong.md","description":"Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource."}]}}