{"podcast":{"title":"Refactoring Podcast","slug":"refactoring-podcast-7057405","podcast_index_feed_id":7057405,"rss_url":"https://www.spreaker.com/show/6091136/episodes/feed","website_url":"https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/refactoring-podcast--6091136","image_url":"https://d3wo5wojvuv7l.cloudfront.net/t_rss_itunes_square_1400/images.spreaker.com/original/a743ff07dbb9224853d8e28bd80bec3e.jpg","author":"Luca Rossi","episode_count":68,"summary":"Weekly interviews with world-class engineering leaders about writing great software and working well with humans.","last_synced_at":"2026-07-10T16:17:38.339864+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/refactoring-podcast-7057405"},"episode":{"title":"How to Build Product Development Teams 🛠️ — with Rob Zuber","slug":"how-to-build-product-development-teams-with-rob-zuber","published_at":"2025-11-22T08:00:00+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/refactoring-podcast-7057405/how-to-build-product-development-teams-with-rob-zuber","show_page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/refactoring-podcast-7057405","url":"https://www.spreaker.com/episode/how-to-build-product-development-teams-with-rob-zuber--68691775","audio_url":"https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/68691775/412942402_44100_2_e2e74fe2dc47.mp3","summary":"Today's guest is Rob Zuber, CTO of CircleCI!With Rob, we talked about software delivery, the impact of AI, and how to build great product engineering teams. And next, we discuss trade-offs between standardization versus flexibility in software organizations, and lessons learned from our respective past mistakes.(00:00) Preview(01:22) Introduction(03:33) Industry Changes and AI's Impact on Development(08:59) The Bell Curve of Metrics and Team Performance(12:09) From Engineering Metrics to Business Outcomes(14:31) Building Effective Small Teams(25:35) Experience vs. Curiosity(37:18) Scaling Challenges and Technology Decisions(49:26) Organizational Standards and Leadership Philosophy—This episode is brought to you by Codacy! Codacy helps developers save time in code reviews, so developers can focus on other things.Start your free trial and get 20% off your first 3 months at codacy.com/refactoring—You can also find this at:• 📬 Newsletter: https://refactoring.fm• 🎧 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7Luds9dmzZDoDC8Q7EMbSw• 📱 Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/refactoring-podcast/id1719137305—For inquiries about sponsoring the podcast, or appearing as a guest, email: luca@refactoring.club","meta_description":"Today's guest is Rob Zuber, CTO of CircleCI!With Rob, we talked about software delivery, the impact of AI, and how to build great product engineering team…","key_points":[],"chapters":[],"topics":[],"duration_seconds":4153,"processing_state":"not_requested","actions":[{"name":"request_transcript","method":"POST","url":"https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/refactoring-podcast-7057405/episodes/how-to-build-product-development-teams-with-rob-zuber/transcription-requests","description":"Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode."},{"name":"read_markdown","method":"GET","url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/refactoring-podcast-7057405/how-to-build-product-development-teams-with-rob-zuber.md","description":"Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource."}]}}