{"podcast":{"title":"Public Defenseless","slug":"public-defenseless-4627959","podcast_index_feed_id":4627959,"rss_url":"https://publicdefenseless.libsyn.com/rss","website_url":"https://publicdefenseless.libsyn.com","image_url":"https://static.libsyn.com/p/assets/c/1/9/a/c19a1d7aa80b1fdfe55e3c100dce7605/FINAL_PD_Show_Art_1.png","author":"Hunter Parnell","episode_count":503,"summary":"Anyone paying attention can tell you that our criminal legal system is perpetuating cruelty and harm, but the complexity of the legal world overwhelms most people simply trying to get through another day. Public Defenseless explores the rot in the justice system and what we can do about it. Join host, Hunter Parnell, as he interviews top defense attorneys and criminal justice stakeholders from across the country as they pull apart the convoluted web of our criminal justice system. Like so many of you, Hunter is not an attorney, simply tired of a news cycle and talking heads that offer no real solutions to the ever-growing list of problems we face. Hunter hopes that with this information, you will share his belief that ordinary people still can make a difference.","last_synced_at":"2026-06-25T22:17:22.371695+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/public-defenseless-4627959"},"episode":{"title":"488 | How Public Defenders Can Fight for Our Clients and for Funding by Engaging with the Media w/Maggie Shepard and Bob McGovern","slug":"488-how-public-defenders-can-fight-for-our-clients-and-for-funding-by-engaging-with-the-media-w-maggie-shepard-and-bob-mcgovern","published_at":"2026-06-16T10:00:00+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/public-defenseless-4627959/488-how-public-defenders-can-fight-for-our-clients-and-for-funding-by-engaging-with-the-media-w-maggie-shepard-and-bob-mcgovern","show_page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/public-defenseless-4627959","url":"https://publicdefenseless.libsyn.com/488-how-public-defenders-can-fight-for-our-clients-and-for-funding-by-engaging-with-the-media-wmaggie-shepard-and-bob-mcgovern","audio_url":"https://dts.podtrac.com/redirect.mp3/traffic.libsyn.com/secure/publicdefenseless/Final_Maggie_and_Bob_Audio.mp3?dest-id=3187490","summary":"Today, Hunter was joined by Maggie Shepard and Bob McGovern. Bob and Maggie serve as communications directors for Public Defender agencies, and they joined to discuss how they are helping Public Defenders better engage with the media. Guest: Maggie Shepard, Director of Communications, Law Offices of the Public Defender, New Mexico Bob McGovern, Director of Communications and Special Counsel, Committee for Public Counsel Services, Massachusetts Resource: New Mexico LOPD https://www.lopdnm.us/offices/ CPCS https://www.publiccounsel.net/ Contact Maggie and Bob rmcgovern@publiccounsel.net maggie.shepard@lopdnm.us Contact Hunter Parnell: Publicdefenseless@gmail.com Instagram @PublicDefenselessPodcast Twitter @PDefenselessPod www.publicdefenseless.com Subscribe to the Patreon www.patreon.com/PublicDefenselessPodcast Donate on PayPal https://www.paypal.com/donate/?hosted_button_id=5KW7WMJWEXTAJ Donate on Stripe https://donate.stripe.com/7sI01tb2v3dwaM8cMN Trying to find a specific part of an episode? Use this link to search transcripts of every episode of the show! https://app.reduct.video/o/eca54fbf9f/p/d543070e6a/share/c34e85194394723d4131/home **** ALL OPINONS SHARED BY HOST HUNTER PARNELL DO NOT REFLECT THE THOUGHTS OR OPINIONS OF THE AURORA MUNICIPAL PUBLIC DEFENDER****","meta_description":"Today, Hunter was joined by Maggie Shepard and Bob McGovern. Bob and Maggie serve as communications directors for Public Defender agencies, and they joine…","key_points":[],"chapters":[],"topics":[],"duration_seconds":3790,"processing_state":"not_requested","actions":[{"name":"request_transcript","method":"POST","url":"https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/public-defenseless-4627959/episodes/488-how-public-defenders-can-fight-for-our-clients-and-for-funding-by-engaging-with-the-media-w-maggie-shepard-and-bob-mcgovern/transcription-requests","description":"Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode."},{"name":"read_markdown","method":"GET","url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/public-defenseless-4627959/488-how-public-defenders-can-fight-for-our-clients-and-for-funding-by-engaging-with-the-media-w-maggie-shepard-and-bob-mcgovern.md","description":"Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource."}]}}