{"podcast":{"title":"Point Me To First Class","slug":"point-me-to-first-class-6237146","podcast_index_feed_id":6237146,"rss_url":"https://feeds.libsyn.com/464010/rss","website_url":"https://pointmetofirstclass.com/podcast","image_url":"https://static.libsyn.com/p/assets/2/5/d/a/25dae9ed72ce1f8bd959afa2a1bf1c87/PMTFC-Podcast-Cover-Art-3000.jpg","author":"Devon Gimbel MD","episode_count":184,"summary":"Point Me to First Class is a show for employed professionals, solopreneurs, entrepreneurs, and business owners with higher-than-average personal and/or business expenses who want to learn to leverage them into credit card points to spend on travel. Your expenses are your greatest untapped asset - but learning how to use them to travel the world doesn't have to be confusing or complicated. Each week, Devon Gimbel shares valuable tips, tools, and strategies to help you uplevel your skills earning and redeeming credit card points and shows you how to spend them on incredible travel experiences. Interested in learning more about working with Devon? Visit www.pointmetofirstclass.com to learn more. This podcast is for you if you find yourself asking questions like: How do I earn credit card points and use them for travel? How can I make my expenses benefit me? How can I earn as many credit card points for as little spending as possible? How to maximize value from credit card points. How to earn credit card points for travel. Turn credit card points into travel.","last_synced_at":"2026-07-20T16:19:21.757777+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/point-me-to-first-class-6237146"},"episode":{"title":"166. The Payroll Points Strategy Update: Cards, ROI & Best Practices with DeAndre Coke","slug":"166-the-payroll-points-strategy-update-cards-roi-best-practices-with-deandre-coke","published_at":"2026-05-04T08:00:00+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/point-me-to-first-class-6237146/166-the-payroll-points-strategy-update-cards-roi-best-practices-with-deandre-coke","show_page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/point-me-to-first-class-6237146","url":"https://pointmetofirstclass.com/earning-points-on-payroll-update","audio_url":"https://traffic.libsyn.com/secure/971afa5f-caf9-4235-9445-9b18164a0a4c/PMTFC_-_Ep166.mp3?dest-id=3917916","summary":"If you're a business owner who pays payroll for yourself or your employees, you might be sitting on one of the biggest untapped points-earning opportunities in your business—and it doesn't require opening new cards or chasing welcome bonuses. DeAndre Coke, a financial advisor and points expert, returns to the show to give us a much-needed update on earning credit card points for payroll expenses using the Zil Money platform. We first talked about this strategy back in Episode 105 last year, but right after that conversation aired, the entire system experienced major disruptions. DeAndre and I discuss what happened over the past year, what's different and working reliably now, and how business owners can approach this strategy moving forward. DeAndre and I walk through the step-by-step process for how this works, which credit cards are currently the best options for maximizing points, and the real math behind the ROI—including the processing fees, platform costs, and how to actually evaluate whether this makes sense for your business. We also cover critical best practices to avoid disrupting your payroll and who this strategy is and isn't right for. Get full show notes and transcript: https://pointmetofirstclass.com/earning-points-on-payroll-update Want to shape the show? Take the Point Me To First Class listener survey and share what you love and want more of! Eager to learn the secrets of award travel so that you can turn your expenses into unforgettable experiences? Join the Points Made Easy course waitlist here: https://pointmetofirstclass.com/pointsmadeeasy","meta_description":"If you're a business owner who pays payroll for yourself or your employees, you might be sitting on one of the biggest untapped points-earning opportuniti…","key_points":[],"chapters":[],"topics":[],"duration_seconds":2742,"processing_state":"not_requested","actions":[{"name":"request_transcript","method":"POST","url":"https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/point-me-to-first-class-6237146/episodes/166-the-payroll-points-strategy-update-cards-roi-best-practices-with-deandre-coke/transcription-requests","description":"Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode."},{"name":"read_markdown","method":"GET","url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/point-me-to-first-class-6237146/166-the-payroll-points-strategy-update-cards-roi-best-practices-with-deandre-coke.md","description":"Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource."}]}}