{"podcast":{"title":"Paper Trail","slug":"paper-trail-6608707","podcast_index_feed_id":6608707,"rss_url":"https://anchor.fm/s/e709f668/podcast/rss","website_url":"https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/the-paper-trail-podcast","image_url":"https://d3t3ozftmdmh3i.cloudfront.net/staging/podcast_uploaded_nologo/38661898/38661898-1693763053823-504db0b30534e.jpg","author":"The Paper Trail Podcast","episode_count":31,"summary":"A monthly writing and publishing podcast featuring a rotating roundtable of children's book authors.","last_synced_at":"2026-06-30T00:17:45.631189+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/paper-trail-6608707"},"episode":{"title":"Episode 23: How to Be a Publishing Anti with Sami Ellis","slug":"episode-23-how-to-be-a-publishing-anti-with-sami-ellis","published_at":"2025-09-08T11:58:42+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/paper-trail-6608707/episode-23-how-to-be-a-publishing-anti-with-sami-ellis","show_page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/paper-trail-6608707","url":"https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/the-paper-trail-podcast/episodes/Episode-23-How-to-Be-a-Publishing-Anti-with-Sami-Ellis-e37tt4o","audio_url":"https://anchor.fm/s/e709f668/podcast/play/107983448/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2025-8-7%2Fc628b5d1-a320-3af6-79fc-1e035c377e76.mp3","summary":"The one where ​we discuss the grief that comes with seeing behind the proverbial publishing curtain, using your day job as a way to stay hungry, and how to be a publishing anti. Connect with Sami Ellis online: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Website ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Connect with Laekan Zea Kemp online: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Website⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠TikTok ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Bluesky⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Threads⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Buy Laekan's books⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Ruidoso Writing Retreat Connect with Vincent Tirado online: ⁠⁠Website⁠⁠ ⁠⁠TikTok⁠⁠ ⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠ ⁠⁠Buy Vincent's books⁠⁠ Connect with Diana Rodriguez Wallach online: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Website⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠TikTok⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Buy Diana's books⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠","meta_description":"The one where ​we discuss the grief that comes with seeing behind the proverbial publishing curtain, using your day job as a way to stay hungry, and how t…","key_points":[],"chapters":[],"topics":[],"duration_seconds":2372,"processing_state":"not_requested","actions":[{"name":"request_transcript","method":"POST","url":"https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/paper-trail-6608707/episodes/episode-23-how-to-be-a-publishing-anti-with-sami-ellis/transcription-requests","description":"Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode."},{"name":"read_markdown","method":"GET","url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/paper-trail-6608707/episode-23-how-to-be-a-publishing-anti-with-sami-ellis.md","description":"Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource."}]}}