{"podcast":{"title":"Origin Stories","slug":"origin-stories-7449947","podcast_index_feed_id":7449947,"rss_url":"https://rss.art19.com/origin-stories","website_url":"https://art19.com/shows/origin-stories","image_url":"https://content.production.cdn.art19.com/images/a4/a4/b0/d1/a4a4b0d1-505e-481a-a6d5-cfbc4b5e6141/6bca6fb16cce3259f0fb7ee357268b7fa68c379a827440b54f83b7e81af5220d7e479410f86e9beccc9edef63bc296346efb4222201c1a5449aa2cef756250d8.jpeg","author":"Campside Media","episode_count":46,"summary":"Have you ever wondered exactly how your favorite movie or book –– or podcast, TV series, documentary film, or magazine article –– got made? Origin Stories has you covered. Each week, veteran journalist Matthew Shaer talks to a different writer or director about the creation of a work close to their own hearts (and to ours). Nothing is off the table: not the frustrations and the joys, not the setbacks and the successes. Intimate and incisive, instructive and eye-opening, Origin Stories is the ultimate podcast for anyone curious about the workings of the creative mind. New episodes every Wednesday! To connect with the team and gain access to behind the scenes content, join our community at ⁠joinoriginstories.com⁠ . You can also find us on ⁠Instagram⁠ , ⁠TikTok⁠ & ⁠Youtube⁠ .","last_synced_at":null,"page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/origin-stories-7449947"},"episode":{"title":"Caleb Gayle on Black Moses","slug":"caleb-gayle-on-black-moses","published_at":"2026-03-04T08:00:00+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/origin-stories-7449947/caleb-gayle-on-black-moses","show_page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/origin-stories-7449947","url":"https://rss.art19.com/episodes/e1e5d3d3-235e-4696-aab2-67fab566d8e0.mp3?rss_browser=BAhJIg90cmFuc2NyaWJyBjoGRVQ%3D--952c5701c84ad333c69d5faa668f8177091704f0","audio_url":"https://rss.art19.com/episodes/e1e5d3d3-235e-4696-aab2-67fab566d8e0.mp3?rss_browser=BAhJIg90cmFuc2NyaWJyBjoGRVQ%3D--952c5701c84ad333c69d5faa668f8177091704f0","summary":"Caleb Gayle is a historian and journalist whose work bridges narrative nonfiction and the academy. A professor at Northeastern and a longtime magazine writer, he has built a reputation for excavating overlooked Black histories and rendering them with literary force. In this episode, he talks to Matthew about Black Moses , his National Book Award–longlisted book about Edward McCabe — the 19th-century lawyer, newspaper publisher, and politician who envisioned Oklahoma as a Black-governed state. Gayle breaks down how he followed McCabe’s paper trail across archives with almost obsessive intensity, why he intentionally gets “lost” in research before finding the story, and how he learned to let narrative carry the theme. He also reflects on the discipline of structure and what it takes to make history feel urgent. “Beautiful prose is the ball game for me,” he says. “The only thing I have in my arsenal is to render their story with some relative beauty.” To connect with the team and gain access to behind the scenes content, join our community at ⁠joincampside.com⁠ . You can also find us on ⁠Instagram⁠ , ⁠TikTok⁠ & ⁠Youtube⁠ . Have a question, guest recommendation or just want to say hi? Email us at Originstories@campsidemedia.com See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info .","meta_description":"Caleb Gayle is a historian and journalist whose work bridges narrative nonfiction and the academy. A professor at Northeastern and a longtime magazine wri…","key_points":[],"chapters":[],"topics":[],"duration_seconds":2186,"processing_state":"not_requested","actions":[{"name":"request_transcript","method":"POST","url":"https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/origin-stories-7449947/episodes/caleb-gayle-on-black-moses/transcription-requests","description":"Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode."},{"name":"read_markdown","method":"GET","url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/origin-stories-7449947/caleb-gayle-on-black-moses.md","description":"Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource."}]}}