{"podcast":{"title":"Open Source Startup Podcast","slug":"open-source-startup-podcast","podcast_index_feed_id":3501865,"rss_url":"https://anchor.fm/s/3eab794c/podcast/rss","website_url":"https://oss-startup-podcast.launchnotes.io","image_url":"https://d3t3ozftmdmh3i.cloudfront.net/staging/podcast_uploaded_nologo/10414251/10414251-1718504092058-1eb78ce29b28a.jpg","author":"Robby (MTF); Tim (Essence VC)","episode_count":202,"summary":"The leading podcast on how to build a successful open source company. Learn from the founders of HashiCorp, Chronosphere, Vercel, MongoDB, DBT, mobile.dev and more!","last_synced_at":"2026-09-04T04:23:21.700855+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/open-source-startup-podcast"},"episode":{"title":"E199: Rethinking Infra-as-Code for the AI Era","slug":"e199-rethinking-infra-as-code-for-the-ai-era","published_at":"2026-07-14T18:58:48+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/open-source-startup-podcast/e199-rethinking-infra-as-code-for-the-ai-era","show_page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/open-source-startup-podcast","url":"https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/ossstartuppodcast/episodes/E199-Rethinking-Infra-as-Code-for-the-AI-Era-e3m35li","audio_url":"https://anchor.fm/s/3eab794c/podcast/play/122836082/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2026-6-14%2F5d9b6839-0920-3750-5dee-ee87ae3b008c.mp3","summary":"This Open Source Startup Podcast episode has our co-hosts Robby and Tim in conversation with Pavlo Baron from Platform Engineering Labs - creators of open source infra-as-code platform formae . This podcast explores why traditional infrastructure-as-code tools like Terraform and Pulumi can struggle with state, drift, and the disconnect between code and real-world infrastructure. Pavlo shares lessons from building Instana and explains how those experiences led to Formae, an open-source approach that treats infrastructure state as accessible, executable code using Apple’s Pkl language. The conversation also looks at what infrastructure management needs in the AI era. By reducing low-level complexity and giving both humans and AI agents safer abstractions for discovering, modifying, and reconciling infrastructure, Formae aims to make infrastructure automation more reliable and less labor-intensive.","meta_description":"This Open Source Startup Podcast episode has our co-hosts Robby and Tim in conversation with Pavlo Baron from Platform Engineering Labs - creators of open…","key_points":[],"chapters":[],"topics":[],"duration_seconds":2547,"processing_state":"not_requested","actions":[{"name":"request_transcript","method":"POST","url":"https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/open-source-startup-podcast/episodes/e199-rethinking-infra-as-code-for-the-ai-era/transcription-requests","description":"Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode."},{"name":"read_markdown","method":"GET","url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/open-source-startup-podcast/e199-rethinking-infra-as-code-for-the-ai-era.md","description":"Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource."}]}}