{"podcast":{"title":"Moving to Value Unscripted","slug":"moving-to-value-unscripted-6695836","podcast_index_feed_id":6695836,"rss_url":"https://anchor.fm/s/e7dc0824/podcast/rss","website_url":"https://www.movingtovalue.org/podcast","image_url":"https://d3t3ozftmdmh3i.cloudfront.net/staging/podcast_uploaded_nologo/38799569/38799569-1766515196194-3d8303e6802d3.jpg","author":"Moving to Value Alliance","episode_count":60,"summary":"Honest conversations with disruptors in healthcare. Presented by the Moving to Value Alliance, a 501(c)(3) nonprofit dedicated to cultivating a healthcare ecosystem that prioritizes high-quality outcomes at affordable costs for employers and consumers. Learn more at movingtovalue.org.","last_synced_at":"2026-07-22T04:21:13.649250+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/moving-to-value-unscripted-6695836"},"episode":{"title":"Rewiring Healthcare Incentives with ICHRAs (feat. Chris Ellis)","slug":"rewiring-healthcare-incentives-with-ichras-feat-chris-ellis","published_at":"2026-01-20T14:35:15+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/moving-to-value-unscripted-6695836/rewiring-healthcare-incentives-with-ichras-feat-chris-ellis","show_page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/moving-to-value-unscripted-6695836","url":"https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/moving-to-value-alliance/episodes/Rewiring-Healthcare-Incentives-with-ICHRAs-feat--Chris-Ellis-e3du4cb","audio_url":"https://anchor.fm/s/e7dc0824/podcast/play/114282315/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2026-0-20%2F416481105-44100-2-d286942488f61.m4a","summary":"Are we approaching the "401(k) moment" of health insurance? We're joined by Chris Ellis, co-founder and CEO of Thatch, a platform that helps employers offer personalized healthcare experiences to employees using Individual Coverage Health Reimbursement Arrangements (ICHRAs) . Ellis explains how his team of fintech veterans is leveraging ICHRAs to decouple benefits from the employer-chosen model, allowing employees to use tax-free stipends to purchase plans that fit their lives. By making coverage personal rather than corporate, Thatch is shifting the industry's focus from short-term ROI to long-term prevention and healthcare portability. When individuals have the power to choose, Ellis notes, local health systems can finally compete on quality and efficiency through curated care pathways, finally creating a substrate for the high-value, cost-effective healthcare outcomes the industry has long promised. ________ Sign up for our email list. Thank you to our members who make our work possible! As a 501(c)(3) nonprofit, the Moving to Value Alliance relies on generous supporters to advance our mission of creating a value-based healthcare ecosystem with high-quality health outcomes at a reasonable cost for plan sponsors and their members. Get involved at movingtovalue.org/membership .","meta_description":"Are we approaching the \"401(k) moment\" of health insurance? We're joined by Chris Ellis, co-founder and CEO of Thatch, a platform that helps emp…","key_points":[],"chapters":[],"topics":[],"duration_seconds":2671,"processing_state":"not_requested","actions":[{"name":"request_transcript","method":"POST","url":"https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/moving-to-value-unscripted-6695836/episodes/rewiring-healthcare-incentives-with-ichras-feat-chris-ellis/transcription-requests","description":"Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode."},{"name":"read_markdown","method":"GET","url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/moving-to-value-unscripted-6695836/rewiring-healthcare-incentives-with-ichras-feat-chris-ellis.md","description":"Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource."}]}}