{"podcast":{"title":"More or Less","slug":"more-or-less-6425141","podcast_index_feed_id":6425141,"rss_url":"https://anchor.fm/s/e3c9ef30/podcast/rss","website_url":"https://moreorlesspod.com/","image_url":"https://d3t3ozftmdmh3i.cloudfront.net/staging/podcast_uploaded_nologo/38116620/38116620-1716176683266-60ee7e22a9d27.jpg","author":"Dave Morin, Jessica Lessin, Brit Morin, and Sam Lessin","episode_count":159,"summary":"Dave Morin, Jessica Lessin, Brit Morin, and Sam Lessin have debated the future of Silicon Valley and tech as the closest of friends for the last 15 years. Now six companies, two venture funds and more than a decade at Google, Apple and Facebook later, they are opening up the debate. From The Information, Offline Ventures, and Slow Ventures. Follow the crew: http://x.com/davemorin http://x.com/brit http://x.com/lessin http:/x.com/jessicalessin Follow the pod: https://moreorlesspod.com/ http://youtube.com/moreorlesspod https://x.com/moreorlesspod","last_synced_at":"2026-07-10T22:17:30.049171+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/more-or-less-6425141"},"episode":{"title":"Vercel CEO: 70% of Our Traffic Is Now AI Agents \"Nobody Was Prepared\" | Anthropic, OpenClaw, OpenAI","slug":"vercel-ceo-70-of-our-traffic-is-now-ai-agents-nobody-was-prepared-anthropic-openclaw-openai","published_at":"2026-04-10T16:00:00+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/more-or-less-6425141/vercel-ceo-70-of-our-traffic-is-now-ai-agents-nobody-was-prepared-anthropic-openclaw-openai","show_page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/more-or-less-6425141","url":"https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/moreorlesspod/episodes/Vercel-CEO-70-of-Our-Traffic-Is-Now-AI-Agents-Nobody-Was-Prepared--Anthropic--OpenClaw--OpenAI-e3hm83a","audio_url":"https://anchor.fm/s/e3c9ef30/podcast/play/118218282/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2026-3-9%2F421756476-44100-2-94db976e28051.mp3","summary":"Vercel CEO Guillermo Rauch breaks down the explosive rise of AI agents and what it means for the future of software infrastructure. He joins the Morins to unpack why Anthropic cut off OpenClaw users, why the SaaS subscription model is breaking down, how agents are reshaping cloud infrastructure, and why a new wave of “supergeniuses” (from neurosurgeons to 17-year-olds) are building things no one thought possible. Plus: dreams.md, the future of personal agents, and why agents are becoming the new computer. Chapters: 00:42 Intro: Guillermo Rauch, CEO and Founder of Vercel 01:48 Vercel Explodes 5X Growth and AI Traffic Surge 03:51 Why Anthropic Shut Down OpenClaw Users 04:47 Coding Agents Are the Path to AGI 07:57 70 Percent of Vercel Traffic Is Now AI 09:50 SaaS Is Dead Pay Per Token Takes Over 13:16 Anthropic vs OpenClaw Closed vs Open Agents 14:47 The Hidden Risk of AI Data and Training 16:38 Why Everyone Wants Their Own AI 18:08 The Shift to Agent Native Infrastructure 19:45 Vibe Coded Apps Are Going Viral 21:42 The AI Wars Anthropic OpenAI Elon 23:15 Dreams md Self Improving AI Agents 25:44 Memory Theory of Mind and Agent Intelligence 28:05 Your AI Should Travel With You 30:00 Enterprise AI and Domain Expert Agents 31:15 How Vercel Became an AI Native Company 33:06 Hiring in the Age of AI Agents 36:03 The Rise of Supergeniuses 38:10 Inside Slows Creator AI Hackathon 40:06 AI Agents Are the New Customers 41:18 Moving Up the Stack Again 42:05 What Happens in the Next 12 Months 43:48 AI Will Break Cloud and Security We’re also on ↓ X: https://twitter.com/moreorlesspod Instagram: https://instagram.com/moreorless YouTube: https://youtu.be/f43JCxhKLEg Connect with us here: 1) Sam Lessin: https://x.com/lessin 2) Dave Morin: https://x.com/davemorin 3) Jessica Lessin: https:/…","meta_description":"Vercel CEO Guillermo Rauch breaks down the explosive rise of AI agents and what it means for the future of software infrastructure. He joins the Morins to…","key_points":[],"chapters":[],"topics":[],"duration_seconds":2828,"processing_state":"not_requested","actions":[{"name":"request_transcript","method":"POST","url":"https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/more-or-less-6425141/episodes/vercel-ceo-70-of-our-traffic-is-now-ai-agents-nobody-was-prepared-anthropic-openclaw-openai/transcription-requests","description":"Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode."},{"name":"read_markdown","method":"GET","url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/more-or-less-6425141/vercel-ceo-70-of-our-traffic-is-now-ai-agents-nobody-was-prepared-anthropic-openclaw-openai.md","description":"Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource."}]}}