{"podcast":{"title":"More or Less","slug":"more-or-less-6425141","podcast_index_feed_id":6425141,"rss_url":"https://anchor.fm/s/e3c9ef30/podcast/rss","website_url":"https://moreorlesspod.com/","image_url":"https://d3t3ozftmdmh3i.cloudfront.net/staging/podcast_uploaded_nologo/38116620/38116620-1716176683266-60ee7e22a9d27.jpg","author":"Dave Morin, Jessica Lessin, Brit Morin, and Sam Lessin","episode_count":159,"summary":"Dave Morin, Jessica Lessin, Brit Morin, and Sam Lessin have debated the future of Silicon Valley and tech as the closest of friends for the last 15 years. Now six companies, two venture funds and more than a decade at Google, Apple and Facebook later, they are opening up the debate. From The Information, Offline Ventures, and Slow Ventures. Follow the crew: http://x.com/davemorin http://x.com/brit http://x.com/lessin http:/x.com/jessicalessin Follow the pod: https://moreorlesspod.com/ http://youtube.com/moreorlesspod https://x.com/moreorlesspod","last_synced_at":"2026-07-10T22:17:30.049171+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/more-or-less-6425141"},"episode":{"title":"OpenClaw vs Meta vs OpenAI: The Personal Agent Wars Heat Up","slug":"openclaw-vs-meta-vs-openai-the-personal-agent-wars-heat-up","published_at":"2026-02-20T19:19:54+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/more-or-less-6425141/openclaw-vs-meta-vs-openai-the-personal-agent-wars-heat-up","show_page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/more-or-less-6425141","url":"https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/moreorlesspod/episodes/OpenClaw-vs-Meta-vs-OpenAI-The-Personal-Agent-Wars-Heat-Up-e3fce2r","audio_url":"https://anchor.fm/s/e3c9ef30/podcast/play/115799579/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2026-1-20%2F418502446-44100-2-80eca960a7ade.mp3","summary":"In this episode of More or Less, we go from Sam's urgent care drama to the hottest debates in AI. Dave dives into his news about joining the OpenClaw Foundation board as the fastest-growing open source project in internet history faces a new chapter. While the OpenClaw founder is heading to OpenAI, Meta is launching competing agents, and the battle for personal AI is officially ON. How the "Internet of Putting iPads on Things" era returning, Anthropic vs Pentagon drama, whether AI intelligence will become worthless like cheap electricity, and why your 'normie' friends will be sending you their vibe-coded apps within 12 months. Chapters: 3:02 Sam's Ski Injury Saga 5:00 OpenClaw Founder Going To OpenAI & Dave's Foundation Role 8:07 OpenClaw vs. Manus (On-Device vs. Cloud) 11:02 Vibe Coding: Building an App a Day 12:03 Meta vs. OpenAI Rivalry 22:00 The Fundraising Market: Mega Rounds & Narrative Capitalism 27:04 The Big Debate: Bay Area Engineers in 3 Years 41:01 Anthropic vs. The Pentagon 45:01 Intelligence as a Commodity 53:50 Tennis with Madison Keys plug We’re also on ↓ X: https://twitter.com/moreorlesspod Instagram: https://instagram.com/moreorless YouTube: https://youtu.be/3CewrGGMjRI Connect with us here: 1) Sam Lessin: https://x.com/lessin 2) Dave Morin: https://x.com/davemorin 3) Jessica Lessin: https://x.com/Jessicalessin 4) Brit Morin: https://x.com/brit","meta_description":"In this episode of More or Less, we go from Sam's urgent care drama to the hottest debates in AI. Dave dives into his news about joining the OpenClaw Foun…","key_points":[],"chapters":[],"topics":[],"duration_seconds":3391,"processing_state":"not_requested","actions":[{"name":"request_transcript","method":"POST","url":"https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/more-or-less-6425141/episodes/openclaw-vs-meta-vs-openai-the-personal-agent-wars-heat-up/transcription-requests","description":"Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode."},{"name":"read_markdown","method":"GET","url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/more-or-less-6425141/openclaw-vs-meta-vs-openai-the-personal-agent-wars-heat-up.md","description":"Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource."}]}}