{"podcast":{"title":"More or Less","slug":"more-or-less-6425141","podcast_index_feed_id":6425141,"rss_url":"https://anchor.fm/s/e3c9ef30/podcast/rss","website_url":"https://moreorlesspod.com/","image_url":"https://d3t3ozftmdmh3i.cloudfront.net/staging/podcast_uploaded_nologo/38116620/38116620-1716176683266-60ee7e22a9d27.jpg","author":"Dave Morin, Jessica Lessin, Brit Morin, and Sam Lessin","episode_count":159,"summary":"Dave Morin, Jessica Lessin, Brit Morin, and Sam Lessin have debated the future of Silicon Valley and tech as the closest of friends for the last 15 years. Now six companies, two venture funds and more than a decade at Google, Apple and Facebook later, they are opening up the debate. From The Information, Offline Ventures, and Slow Ventures. Follow the crew: http://x.com/davemorin http://x.com/brit http://x.com/lessin http:/x.com/jessicalessin Follow the pod: https://moreorlesspod.com/ http://youtube.com/moreorlesspod https://x.com/moreorlesspod","last_synced_at":"2026-07-10T22:17:30.049171+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/more-or-less-6425141"},"episode":{"title":"Did Anthropic Use the Pope as a Marketing Stunt? Ft. Amir Efrati","slug":"did-anthropic-use-the-pope-as-a-marketing-stunt-ft-amir-efrati","published_at":"2026-05-29T13:00:00+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/more-or-less-6425141/did-anthropic-use-the-pope-as-a-marketing-stunt-ft-amir-efrati","show_page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/more-or-less-6425141","url":"https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/moreorlesspod/episodes/Did-Anthropic-Use-the-Pope-as-a-Marketing-Stunt--Ft--Amir-Efrati-e3k23rp","audio_url":"https://anchor.fm/s/e3c9ef30/podcast/play/120704313/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2026-5-5%2F425596610-44100-2-c22d32358d976.mp3","summary":"This week on More or Less, Amir Efrati of The Information joins Jessica, Brit, and Dave to unpack the growing intersection of AI, government, and national security, from the rumored stalled executive AI order to why frontier model companies may soon face deeper U.S. oversight and pre-release access demands. The group debates whether slowing AI adoption is really a pricing and UX problem, why AI agents are causing token consumption to explode, and whether most consumers even want an always-on personal agent. They also dive into the geopolitical implications of data centers and open-source software, AI’s impact on entertainment and voice cloning, Hollywood’s anxiety over originality, and the strange new world where even papal writings prompt questions about whether AI had a hand in shaping the message. Chapters: 1:57 — AI Predictions, Whispering to Models & Forecasting the Future 4:37 — AI, National Security & the Trump Administration 6:52 — The Pope’s AI Document, Closed Models & Security Risks 11:56 — AI Regulation, Job Fears & Public Sentiment 15:45 — Is AI Adoption Slowing Down? Pricing, ROI & Enterprise Reality 21:00 — Agents, CIOs & Whether Mainstream Users Will Ever Embrace AI 36:00 — AI Entertainment, Voice Cloning & Hollywood’s Future 41:52 — Going Off-Grid, Book Recommendations & Digital Detoxes 47:00 — Mark Rober, CrunchLabs & the $10,000 Bullseye Story We’re also on ↓ X: https://twitter.com/moreorlesspod Instagram: https://instagram.com/moreorless YouTube: https://youtu.be/OyC7N42o36s Connect with us here: 1) Sam Lessin: https://x.com/lessin 2) Dave Morin: https://x.com/davemorin 3) Jessica Lessin: https://x.com/Jessicalessin 4) Brit Morin: https://x.com/brit","meta_description":"This week on More or Less, Amir Efrati of The Information joins Jessica, Brit, and Dave to unpack the growing intersection of AI, government, and national…","key_points":[],"chapters":[],"topics":[],"duration_seconds":3000,"processing_state":"not_requested","actions":[{"name":"request_transcript","method":"POST","url":"https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/more-or-less-6425141/episodes/did-anthropic-use-the-pope-as-a-marketing-stunt-ft-amir-efrati/transcription-requests","description":"Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode."},{"name":"read_markdown","method":"GET","url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/more-or-less-6425141/did-anthropic-use-the-pope-as-a-marketing-stunt-ft-amir-efrati.md","description":"Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource."}]}}