{"podcast":{"title":"More or Less","slug":"more-or-less-6425141","podcast_index_feed_id":6425141,"rss_url":"https://anchor.fm/s/e3c9ef30/podcast/rss","website_url":"https://moreorlesspod.com/","image_url":"https://d3t3ozftmdmh3i.cloudfront.net/staging/podcast_uploaded_nologo/38116620/38116620-1716176683266-60ee7e22a9d27.jpg","author":"Dave Morin, Jessica Lessin, Brit Morin, and Sam Lessin","episode_count":159,"summary":"Dave Morin, Jessica Lessin, Brit Morin, and Sam Lessin have debated the future of Silicon Valley and tech as the closest of friends for the last 15 years. Now six companies, two venture funds and more than a decade at Google, Apple and Facebook later, they are opening up the debate. From The Information, Offline Ventures, and Slow Ventures. Follow the crew: http://x.com/davemorin http://x.com/brit http://x.com/lessin http:/x.com/jessicalessin Follow the pod: https://moreorlesspod.com/ http://youtube.com/moreorlesspod https://x.com/moreorlesspod","last_synced_at":"2026-07-10T22:17:30.049171+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/more-or-less-6425141"},"episode":{"title":"AI Agents Destroying Internet Security (Anthropic's Leak, ClawCon Tokyo, OpenAI's $852B Valuation)","slug":"ai-agents-destroying-internet-security-anthropic-s-leak-clawcon-tokyo-openai-s-852b-valuation","published_at":"2026-04-03T16:00:00+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/more-or-less-6425141/ai-agents-destroying-internet-security-anthropic-s-leak-clawcon-tokyo-openai-s-852b-valuation","show_page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/more-or-less-6425141","url":"https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/moreorlesspod/episodes/AI-Agents-Destroying-Internet-Security-Anthropics-Leak--ClawCon-Tokyo--OpenAIs-852B-Valuation-e3hbv3g","audio_url":"https://anchor.fm/s/e3c9ef30/podcast/play/117881392/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2026-3-3%2F421310947-44100-2-66fdcfc685ff6.mp3","summary":"Sam Lessin accidentally emailed 40 of Silicon Valley's most important people using an AI bot — and that one mishap reveals everything broken about the AI security model right now. In this episode, Sam and Dave Morin (calling in from ClawCon Tokyo) argue that AI agents are quietly dismantling every security assumption the internet was built on: from open-source package trust chains to content moderation walls to the entire premise of software moats. Meanwhile, Jessica Lessin shares her own Claude Code disaster that proves even careful people are one 'approve' click away from chaos. The team also tears apart OpenAI's $852 billion valuation, debate whether 10 million software developers are about to become irrelevant, and explain why a professional skier in Alaska just built the app she'd been pitching for two years — in a single afternoon. We’re also on ↓ X: https://twitter.com/moreorlesspod Instagram: https://instagram.com/moreorless YouTube: https://youtu.be/Gv-VUTGVNT8 Connect with us here: 1) Sam Lessin: https://x.com/lessin 2) Dave Morin: https://x.com/davemorin 3) Jessica Lessin: https://x.com/Jessicalessin 4) Brit Morin: https://x.com/brit","meta_description":"Sam Lessin accidentally emailed 40 of Silicon Valley's most important people using an AI bot — and that one mishap reveals everything broken about the AI…","key_points":[],"chapters":[],"topics":[],"duration_seconds":2865,"processing_state":"not_requested","actions":[{"name":"request_transcript","method":"POST","url":"https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/more-or-less-6425141/episodes/ai-agents-destroying-internet-security-anthropic-s-leak-clawcon-tokyo-openai-s-852b-valuation/transcription-requests","description":"Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode."},{"name":"read_markdown","method":"GET","url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/more-or-less-6425141/ai-agents-destroying-internet-security-anthropic-s-leak-clawcon-tokyo-openai-s-852b-valuation.md","description":"Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource."}]}}