{"podcast":{"title":"MMA Fighting","slug":"mma-fighting-161881","podcast_index_feed_id":161881,"rss_url":"https://feeds.megaphone.fm/VMP4451971054","website_url":"https://www.mmafighting.com/","image_url":"https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/9203db36-0336-11eb-9086-53d5e41784b1/image/MMA_Fighting_Square_Graphics.jpg?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&max-w=3000&max-h=3000&fit=crop&auto=format,compress","author":"Vox Media Podcast Network","episode_count":3005,"summary":"Get all the mixed martial arts fighting news and analysis you need from the award-winning team at MMA Fighting. Produced by MMA Fighting and SB Nation, and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.","last_synced_at":"2026-07-25T08:17:44.868981+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/mma-fighting-161881"},"episode":{"title":"On To the Next One | What's Next For Ilia Topuria, Alex Pereira After UFC White House","slug":"on-to-the-next-one-what-s-next-for-ilia-topuria-alex-pereira-after-ufc-white-house","published_at":"2026-06-15T19:11:00+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/mma-fighting-161881/on-to-the-next-one-what-s-next-for-ilia-topuria-alex-pereira-after-ufc-white-house","show_page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/mma-fighting-161881","url":"https://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/pdst.fm/e/pscrb.fm/rss/p/mgln.ai/e/257/traffic.megaphone.fm/VMP7467313859.mp3","audio_url":"https://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/pdst.fm/e/pscrb.fm/rss/p/mgln.ai/e/257/traffic.megaphone.fm/VMP7467313859.mp3","summary":"UFC White House overdelivered in the expectation department on Sunday night in Washington, D.C., and it was capped off by an all-time performance by Justin Gaethje, as he pulled off the stunning upset of Ilia Topuria to win the undisputed lightweight title. It seems obvious where Gaethje and fellow new champ Ciryl Gane go, from the card, what's next for Topuria and Alex Pereira after stoppage losses on the White House lawn? On an all-new edition of On To the Next One, MMA Fighting's Mike Heck and Alexander K. Lee discuss what's next for Gaethje and Topuria after their wild main event, along with Gane and Pereira after the interim champ's best performance of his career. Additionally, future matchups are discussed for Sean O'alley following his knockout win over Aiemann Zahabi, Josh Hokit after stopping Derrick Lewis, along with fellow winners Mauricio Ruffy, Bo Nickal, and Diego Lopes. Follow Mike Heck: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@m_heckjr⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow Alexander K. Lee: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@AlexanderKLee⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Subscribe:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ http://goo.gl/dYpsgH⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Check out our full video catalog: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://goo.gl/u8VvLi⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Visit our playlists:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ http://goo.gl/eFhsvM⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Like MMAF on Facebook: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://goo.gl/uhdg7Z⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow on Twitter: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://goo.gl/nOATUI⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Read More: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://www.mmafighting.com⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices","meta_description":"UFC White House overdelivered in the expectation department on Sunday night in Washington, D.C., and it was capped off by an all-time performance by Justi…","key_points":[],"chapters":[],"topics":[],"duration_seconds":4039,"processing_state":"not_requested","actions":[{"name":"request_transcript","method":"POST","url":"https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/mma-fighting-161881/episodes/on-to-the-next-one-what-s-next-for-ilia-topuria-alex-pereira-after-ufc-white-house/transcription-requests","description":"Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode."},{"name":"read_markdown","method":"GET","url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/mma-fighting-161881/on-to-the-next-one-what-s-next-for-ilia-topuria-alex-pereira-after-ufc-white-house.md","description":"Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource."}]}}