{"podcast":{"title":"Minus One","slug":"minus-one-6971941","podcast_index_feed_id":6971941,"rss_url":"https://anchor.fm/s/f91eac68/podcast/rss","website_url":"https://www.southparkcommons.com/","image_url":"https://d3t3ozftmdmh3i.cloudfront.net/staging/podcast_uploaded_nologo/41695370/41695370-1751915669380-a599e240ec338.jpg","author":"South Park Commons","episode_count":61,"summary":"A show about the winding journeys the world's most interesting people take to becoming great—and what they do when figuring out a question we all face: What's Next? Because before you launch at Zero, you have to figure out what to launch at Minus One. Hosted by South Park Commons Partner Aditya Agarwal and members of the SPC community.","last_synced_at":"2026-09-25T04:20:06.424378+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/minus-one-6971941"},"episode":{"title":"What Gamma ($2B Unicorn) Learned that Most Founders Get Backwards | Grant Lee","slug":"what-gamma-2b-unicorn-learned-that-most-founders-get-backwards-grant-lee","published_at":"2026-03-12T14:00:00+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/minus-one-6971941/what-gamma-2b-unicorn-learned-that-most-founders-get-backwards-grant-lee","show_page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/minus-one-6971941","url":"https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/minus-one-spc/episodes/What-Gamma-2B-Unicorn-Learned-that-Most-Founders-Get-Backwards--Grant-Lee-e3gb80p","audio_url":"https://anchor.fm/s/f91eac68/podcast/play/116809177/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2026-2-12%2F419862370-44100-2-020a454d20617.mp3","summary":"Grant Lee, cofounder and CEO of Gamma, joins South Park Commons General Partner Jonathan Brebner to discuss how his AI storytelling platform is taking on PowerPoint and Google Slides. Grant shares how Gamma survived the Silicon Valley Bank collapse, how they stayed lean while scaling to a $2B valuation, and why he believes “different beats better” when competing against entrenched incumbents. He also gets into the role of storytelling in product, hiring, and growth—and why publishing content (and pushing through "cringe valley") might be the most underrated thing a founder can do. Grant Lee: https://www.linkedin.com/in/grantslee/ Jonathan Brebner: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jonathan-brebner/ South Park Commons: https://www.linkedin.com/company/southparkcommons/ Apply to SPC: https://www.southparkcommons.com/apply Chapters: (00:00:00) - Intro (00:02:41) - The Frustration With Slides That Sparked Gamma (00:04:02) - Reuniting With Co-Founders From Optimizely (00:08:46) - The Real Competition: Behavior Change (00:10:37) - The ‘Bet the Company’ Moment and the SVB Crisis (00:14:43) - Why Gamma Built a Lean Team and Hires Slowly (00:17:49) - Why Storytelling Is a Core Founder Skill (00:20:51) - How Gamma Balances AI Automation With Human Creativity (00:23:40) - Why Founders Must Survive “Cringe Valley” (00:31:17) - Building Gamma for Prosumer and Enterprise Growth","meta_description":"Grant Lee, cofounder and CEO of Gamma, joins South Park Commons General Partner Jonathan Brebner to discuss how his AI storytelling platform is taking on…","key_points":[],"chapters":[],"topics":[],"duration_seconds":2137,"processing_state":"not_requested","actions":[{"name":"request_transcript","method":"POST","url":"https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/minus-one-6971941/episodes/what-gamma-2b-unicorn-learned-that-most-founders-get-backwards-grant-lee/transcription-requests","description":"Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode."},{"name":"read_markdown","method":"GET","url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/minus-one-6971941/what-gamma-2b-unicorn-learned-that-most-founders-get-backwards-grant-lee.md","description":"Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource."}]}}