{"podcast":{"title":"Max Agency","slug":"max-agency-7807113","podcast_index_feed_id":7807113,"rss_url":"https://anchor.fm/s/1112ba400/podcast/rss","website_url":"https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/supermix2","image_url":"https://d3t3ozftmdmh3i.cloudfront.net/staging/podcast_uploaded_nologo/45730400/45730400-1775664525711-922be329a7b5d.jpg","author":"LangChain","episode_count":10,"summary":"Welcome to Max Agency, a podcast about how the best AI agents are actually being built. Hosted by Harrison Chase, CEO of LangChain, each episode goes deep with the builders designing, deploying, and learning from real agent systems in the wild. From architecture decisions to evals, tooling, and failure modes, Max Agency is for people who want to understand what it really takes to build useful agents.","last_synced_at":"2026-07-31T02:20:41.667372+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/max-agency-7807113"},"episode":{"title":"How Ramp built an AI agent that can think outside of tokens | Alex Shevchenko","slug":"how-ramp-built-an-ai-agent-that-can-think-outside-of-tokens-alex-shevchenko","published_at":"2026-05-07T14:00:00+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/max-agency-7807113/how-ramp-built-an-ai-agent-that-can-think-outside-of-tokens-alex-shevchenko","show_page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/max-agency-7807113","url":"https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/supermix2/episodes/How-Ramp-built-an-AI-agent-that-can-think-outside-of-tokens--Alex-Shevchenko-e3j15h3","audio_url":"https://anchor.fm/s/1112ba400/podcast/play/119624675/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2026-4-7%2F423664677-44100-2-9a5d6c26fe93d.mp3","summary":"Alexander Shevchenko is the head of applied research at Ramp, where he leads Ramp Labs – the team behind Ramp Sheets and a steady stream of public AI engineering experiments. Ramp Sheets started as an internal process mining tool that turned Loom videos of accountants into Markov diagrams, before evolving into the agentic spreadsheet editor that shipped in November. In this conversation, Alex walks through the architecture under the hood, why Ramp biases the agent toward Excel formulas over Python code gen, and two recent Labs experiments: Latent Briefing and a user-steerable revival of Golden Gate Claude. We also discuss: Under the hood of Ramp Sheets Inspect, Ramp's internal coding agent, and the self-improving monitor loop it powers Why finance professionals rejected code gen as too "black box" Why Anthropic models tend to excel at agentic spreadsheet manipulation The case for putting the agent outside the sandbox, not inside it The Loom-to-Markov-diagram process mining pipeline RLMs and how subagents can share memory in latent space Latent Briefing and KV-cache communication between subagents Reviving Golden Gate Claude with steering vectors on Gemma Referenced: Alex Levinson Anthropic Ben Geist Claude Efficient Memory Sharing for Multi-Agent Systems via KV Cache Compaction (Ben Geist) Gemma Golden Gate Claude Graphviz Inspect Latent Briefing Loom Modal OpenAI Opus Qwen Ramp Ramp Labs Ramp Sheets Recursive Language Models (Alex Zhang) Retool Self-maintaining Ramp Sheets Steer AI Where to find Alex: LinkedIn Twitter/X Website Where to find Harrison: LinkedIn Twitter/X Where to find LangChain: Website Docs Send feedback or questions to maxagency@langchain.dev Timestamps: (00:00) Introduction (01:13) The origin of Ramp Sheets (02:27) The Loom-to-Markov-diagr…","meta_description":"Alexander Shevchenko is the head of applied research at Ramp, where he leads Ramp Labs – the team behind Ramp Sheets and a steady stream of public AI engi…","key_points":[],"chapters":[],"topics":[],"duration_seconds":2646,"processing_state":"not_requested","actions":[{"name":"request_transcript","method":"POST","url":"https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/max-agency-7807113/episodes/how-ramp-built-an-ai-agent-that-can-think-outside-of-tokens-alex-shevchenko/transcription-requests","description":"Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode."},{"name":"read_markdown","method":"GET","url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/max-agency-7807113/how-ramp-built-an-ai-agent-that-can-think-outside-of-tokens-alex-shevchenko.md","description":"Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource."}]}}