{"podcast":{"title":"MasterMined: A Behavioral & Mental Health Podcast","slug":"mastermined-a-behavioral-mental-health-podcast-7348207","podcast_index_feed_id":7348207,"rss_url":"https://feeds.libsyn.com/584750/rss","website_url":"https://www.snapshotinteractive.com/mastermined","image_url":"https://static.libsyn.com/p/assets/b/4/a/f/b4afb737a2cb009cd959afa2a1bf1c87/NEW_MasterMined_Logo_MM_BH_Playbook-20251230-et02h14qbf.png","author":"Mark Scrivner","episode_count":71,"summary":"MasterMined isn't just about learning — it's about digging deep to uncover what truly works in the business of behavioral health. This podcast will explore the innovative strategies, operational frameworks, and leadership lessons driving success in the mental health industry. From scaling private practices to managing multi-location organizations, each episode delivers clear, candid, and compelling conversations to help business owners, executives, and industry leaders build, optimize, and scale their behavioral health organizations—without losing sight of their mission.","last_synced_at":"2026-09-16T00:17:04.887358+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/mastermined-a-behavioral-mental-health-podcast-7348207"},"episode":{"title":"Inside the Payer Files: How Third Horizon Is Exposing What Insurance Companies Really Pay with Greg Williams","slug":"inside-the-payer-files-how-third-horizon-is-exposing-what-insurance-companies-really-pay-with-greg-williams","published_at":"2026-07-21T10:00:00+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/mastermined-a-behavioral-mental-health-podcast-7348207/inside-the-payer-files-how-third-horizon-is-exposing-what-insurance-companies-really-pay-with-greg-williams","show_page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/mastermined-a-behavioral-mental-health-podcast-7348207","url":"https://7b85b8b9-e12c-419f-86e6-b1da2ff0426b.libsyn.com/inside-the-payer-files-how-third-horizon-is-exposing-what-insurance-companies-really-pay-with-greg-williams","audio_url":"https://traffic.libsyn.com/secure/7b85b8b9-e12c-419f-86e6-b1da2ff0426b/ep_62_final_01.mp3?dest-id=5072550","summary":"What if the biggest lever for fixing addiction treatment reimbursement wasn't a new law, but a file most people are too afraid to open? This episode, recorded at NAATP Nationals 2026, features Greg Williams of Third Horizon, a health policy consultant, data strategist, and person in long-term recovery whose own insurance denial as a teenager set him on a career-long mission to fix how behavioral health is paid for. Greg joins hosts Mark Scrivner and Jeff Skillen to unpack how payer machine-readable files are exposing massive reimbursement gaps between mental health and physical health providers, why patient steerage and the No Surprises Act are reshaping the in-network conversation, and how value-based care is finally moving from theory to practice in addiction treatment. Behavioral health leaders will walk away with a clearer picture of where reimbursement is headed, and how to position their organizations before the market gets there first. Key Moments 03:17 – Greg's personal recovery story and the insurance denial that shaped his career 06:28 – The origin of the 2008 Mental Health Parity and Addiction Equity Act 09:32 – What payer machine-readable files are and why most providers have never opened one 21:52 – Greg's \"Kayak for healthcare\" vision — shopping for treatment based on value 27:04 – Breaking down the four tiers of value-based care in behavioral health 30:41 – Launching the National Mental Health Parity Index with the Kennedy Forum, AMA, and APA 38:57 – How the No Surprises Act and good faith estimates are shifting patient behavior 41:50 – Why the future of treatment means following patients for 5+ years, not 28 days Learn More & Connect Show Notes + Resources: https://snapshotinteractive.com/mastermined Connect with Greg Williams: https://www.linkedin.com/…","meta_description":"What if the biggest lever for fixing addiction treatment reimbursement wasn't a new law, but a file most people are too afraid to open? This episode, reco…","key_points":[],"chapters":[],"topics":[],"duration_seconds":2632,"processing_state":"not_requested","actions":[{"name":"request_transcript","method":"POST","url":"https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/mastermined-a-behavioral-mental-health-podcast-7348207/episodes/inside-the-payer-files-how-third-horizon-is-exposing-what-insurance-companies-really-pay-with-greg-williams/transcription-requests","description":"Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode."},{"name":"read_markdown","method":"GET","url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/mastermined-a-behavioral-mental-health-podcast-7348207/inside-the-payer-files-how-third-horizon-is-exposing-what-insurance-companies-really-pay-with-greg-williams.md","description":"Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource."}]}}