{"podcast":{"title":"Many Minds","slug":"many-minds-510509","podcast_index_feed_id":510509,"rss_url":"https://manyminds.libsyn.com/rss","website_url":"https://disi.org/manyminds/","image_url":"https://static.libsyn.com/p/assets/c/e/a/6/cea6fe4093035db1/DISI_Many_Minds_tile_art_screen_resolution_vfinal.png","author":"Kensy Cooperrider","episode_count":166,"summary":"Our world is brimming with beings—human, animal, and artificial. We explore how they think, sense, feel, and learn. Conversations and more, every two weeks.","last_synced_at":"2026-07-18T22:18:52.865257+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/many-minds-510509"},"episode":{"title":"Origins of the kiss","slug":"origins-of-the-kiss","published_at":"2026-02-12T00:06:00+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/many-minds-510509/origins-of-the-kiss","show_page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/many-minds-510509","url":"https://manyminds.libsyn.com/origins-of-the-kiss","audio_url":"https://traffic.libsyn.com/secure/manyminds/Origins-of-the-kiss.mp3?dest-id=1868261","summary":"Humans do some pretty weird things. Some of us will sit in searingly hot rooms or jump into icy ponds. Others risk their lives trying to climb to new heights or dive to new depths. And every once in a while, two otherwise normal-seeming humans will lean in close to each other, open mouths, lock lips, and swap a hearty helping of microbes. You may even know people who've done this. But why? Are we the only animals who kiss? What could be the deeper origins of this truly bizarre behavior? My guest today is Dr. Matilda Brindle . Matilda is an Evolutionary Biologist at the University of Oxford. She's interested in understanding the origins of behaviors and traits across the animal kingdom. But it's not just any traits she's interested in—she tends to favor those that are a bit risque. Here, Matilda and I talk about the puzzle at the heart of human kissing behavior. We discuss the possible adaptive functions of kissing—and of romantic kissing in particular. We walk through her recent paper in which—drawing on observations across primates species—she and her colleagues reconstructed the phylogeny of kissing behavior. They found that kissing is present in almost all the Great Apes—and also in several species of monkeys—and that it may go back around 20 million years. We sketch different proposals for how kissing may have evolved, such as the idea that it originally grew out of \"premastication\"—the practice of chewing up food for infants and transferring that food by mouth. And, of course, we consider the cultural side of kissing—and how to make sense of the fact that, despite these ancient roots in the primate lineage, romantic kissing is by no means universal to all human groups. Hope you enjoy this one, friends—offered in spirit of Valentine's Day, of course. Kissing may se…","meta_description":"Humans do some pretty weird things. Some of us will sit in searingly hot rooms or jump into icy ponds. Others risk their lives trying to climb to new heig…","key_points":[],"chapters":[],"topics":[],"duration_seconds":3662,"processing_state":"not_requested","actions":[{"name":"request_transcript","method":"POST","url":"https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/many-minds-510509/episodes/origins-of-the-kiss/transcription-requests","description":"Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode."},{"name":"read_markdown","method":"GET","url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/many-minds-510509/origins-of-the-kiss.md","description":"Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource."}]}}