{"podcast":{"title":"Machine Learning Street Talk (MLST)","slug":"machine-learning-street-talk","podcast_index_feed_id":781643,"rss_url":"https://anchor.fm/s/1e4a0eac/podcast/rss","website_url":"https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/machinelearningstreettalk","image_url":"https://d3t3ozftmdmh3i.cloudfront.net/staging/podcast_uploaded_nologo/4981699/4981699-1757416025703-f026fa81b6d04.jpg","author":"Machine Learning Street Talk (MLST)","episode_count":250,"summary":"Welcome! We engage in fascinating discussions with pre-eminent figures in the AI field. Our flagship show covers current affairs in AI, cognitive science, neuroscience and philosophy of mind with in-depth analysis. Our approach is unrivalled in terms of scope and rigour – we believe in intellectual diversity in AI, and we touch on all of the main ideas in the field with the hype surgically removed. MLST is run by Tim Scarfe, Ph.D (https://www.linkedin.com/in/ecsquizor/) and features regular appearances from MIT Doctor of Philosophy Keith Duggar (https://www.linkedin.com/in/dr-keith-duggar/).","last_synced_at":null,"page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/machine-learning-street-talk"},"episode":{"title":"Three Red Lines We're About to Cross Toward AGI (Daniel Kokotajlo, Gary Marcus, Dan Hendrycks)","slug":"three-red-lines-we-re-about-to-cross-toward-agi-daniel-kokotajlo-gary-marcus-dan-hendrycks","published_at":"2025-06-24T01:32:24+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/machine-learning-street-talk/three-red-lines-we-re-about-to-cross-toward-agi-daniel-kokotajlo-gary-marcus-dan-hendrycks","show_page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/machine-learning-street-talk","url":"https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/machinelearningstreettalk/episodes/Three-Red-Lines-Were-About-to-Cross-Toward-AGI-Daniel-Kokotajlo--Gary-Marcus--Dan-Hendrycks-e34l58q","audio_url":"https://anchor.fm/s/1e4a0eac/podcast/play/104551130/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2025-5-24%2F402697735-44100-2-9688589328b1e.mp3","summary":"What if the most powerful technology in human history is being built by people who openly admit they don't trust each other? In this explosive 2-hour debate, three AI experts pull back the curtain on the shocking psychology driving the race to Artificial General Intelligence—and why the people building it might be the biggest threat of all. Kokotajlo predicts AGI by 2028 based on compute scaling trends. Marcus argues we haven't solved basic cognitive problems from his 2001 research. The stakes? If Kokotajlo is right and Marcus is wrong about safety progress, humanity may have already lost control. Sponsor messages: ======== Google Gemini: Google Gemini features Veo3, a state-of-the-art AI video generation model in the Gemini app. Sign up at https://gemini.google.com Tufa AI Labs are hiring for ML Engineers and a Chief Scientist in Zurich/SF. They are top of the ARCv2 leaderboard! https://tufalabs.ai/ ======== Guest Powerhouse Gary Marcus - Cognitive scientist, author of "Taming Silicon Valley," and AI's most prominent skeptic who's been warning about the same fundamental problems for 25 years (https://garymarcus.substack.com/) Daniel Kokotajlo - Former OpenAI insider turned whistleblower who reveals the disturbing rationalizations of AI lab leaders in his viral "AI 2027" scenario (https://ai-2027.com/) Dan Hendrycks - Director of the Center for AI Safety who created the benchmarks used to measure AI progress and argues we have only years, not decades, to prevent catastrophe (https://danhendrycks.com/) Transcript: http://app.rescript.info/public/share/tEcx4UkToi-2jwS1cN51CW70A4Eh6QulBRxDILoXOno TOC: Introduction: The AI Arms Race 00:00:04 - The Danger of Automated AI R&D 00:00:43 - The Rationalization: "If we don't, someone else will" 0…","meta_description":"What if the most powerful technology in human history is being built by people who openly admit they don't trust each other? In this explosive 2-hour deba…","key_points":[],"chapters":[],"topics":[],"duration_seconds":7627,"processing_state":"processed","actions":[{"name":"request_transcript","method":"POST","url":"https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/machine-learning-street-talk/episodes/three-red-lines-we-re-about-to-cross-toward-agi-daniel-kokotajlo-gary-marcus-dan-hendrycks/transcription-requests","description":"Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode."},{"name":"read_markdown","method":"GET","url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/machine-learning-street-talk/three-red-lines-we-re-about-to-cross-toward-agi-daniel-kokotajlo-gary-marcus-dan-hendrycks.md","description":"Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource."}]}}