{"podcast":{"title":"Life After Ministry","slug":"life-after-ministry-6573611","podcast_index_feed_id":6573611,"rss_url":"https://api.riverside.com/hosting/Q7dyZo24.rss","website_url":"https://lifeafterministry.podbean.com","image_url":"https://hosting-media.riverside.com/media/imports/podcasts/fac660fe-98c1-4a31-9ea1-72e91819fd5c/Life_After_Ministry_Coverayrcd.jpg","author":"Matt & Marilee Davis","episode_count":96,"summary":"Many of us have experienced the sting of losing a job. But there’s something uniquely challenging about leaving a position in full-time vocational ministry. Whether you’re stepping down from a church or leaving a kingdom nonprofit, it’s not as simple as just changing jobs. Suddenly, everything changes. You’re left navigating not just a career transition, but also a profound shift in identity, community, and daily routines. It feels like stepping into an unknown, filled with questions like, ”What’s next? How do I redefine myself outside the ministry? How do I maintain my faith amidst this transition?” Welcome to the Life After Ministry Podcast. We’ve been there, navigating the complex journey from vocational ministry to a new chapter in our lives. We’ll explore stories of transformation, hear from those who’ve walked this path before, and provide practical strategies to turn your transition into transformation.","last_synced_at":"2026-07-15T08:22:15.146726+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/life-after-ministry-6573611"},"episode":{"title":"Leadership Was Never My Calling (featuring Eric Reid)","slug":"leadership-was-never-my-calling-featuring-eric-reid","published_at":"2026-03-17T08:00:00+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/life-after-ministry-6573611/leadership-was-never-my-calling-featuring-eric-reid","show_page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/life-after-ministry-6573611","url":"https://lifeafterministry.podbean.com/e/leadership-was-never-my-calling-featuring-eric-reid/","audio_url":"https://api.riverside.com/hosting-analytics/media/56aac78a7bf6ca06aab1c23a1d761aab4319d89731c9dd6ca24cffeedae8a8eb/eyJlcGlzb2RlSWQiOiIyMzUxZjBhZi0wNzZmLTQ5MmEtYWQ1Yi0wYjJhNzNmMGNhNGYiLCJwb2RjYXN0SWQiOiJmYWM2NjBmZS05OGMxLTRhMzEtOWVhMS03MmU5MTgxOWZkNWMiLCJhY2NvdW50SWQiOiI2MzdhYjc0MDg5YzVkMjAwMGNhYmNmNjMiLCJwYXRoIjoibWVkaWEvaW1wb3J0cy9wb2RjYXN0cy9mYWM2NjBmZS05OGMxLTRhMzEtOWVhMS03MmU5MTgxOWZkNWMvZXBpc29kZXMvMjM1MWYwYWYtMDc2Zi00OTJhLWFkNWItMGIyYTczZjBjYTRmL0xpZmVfQWZ0ZXJfTWluaXN0cnlfUG9kY2FzdF9FcGlzb2RlXzgxOGx5cWgubXAzIn0=.mp3","summary":"Many ministry leaders begin their journey with a genuine desire to serve. But somewhere along the way, leadership can quietly become something else. Platforms grow. Expectations rise. Applause becomes affirmation. And before long, influence begins to shape identity. Eric Reid spent years traveling the world teaching leadership alongside John Maxwell. From the outside, it looked like success. But internally, Eric began to notice a troubling pattern. Leadership had become a performance, a way to earn approval rather than simply serve people. In this conversation with Matt Davis, Eric reflects on the personal awakening that led him to write Leadership Was Never My Calling. Together they unpack the deep tensions many leaders carry: the pull toward platform, the pressure to perform, and the quiet invitation of Jesus to step down the ladder and serve with humility. Key Takeaways Leadership can easily become a hiding place for insecurity and identity wounds • Applause and affirmation can become addictive forms of validation • Performance and presence are very different ways of leading • Many leaders carry unresolved father wounds that shape how they pursue influence • Small, unseen acts of faithfulness often carry the greatest kingdom impact • True Christlike leadership begins at the bottom of the ladder, not the top • Freedom comes when leaders shift from building influence to serving people Chapter Markers 00:00 – Introducing Eric Reid and the question of calling 02:00 – The origin of the book Leadership Was Never My Calling 05:20 – Performance versus presence in ministry leadership 08:30 – The addiction to applause and approval 11:20 – Father wounds and identity in leadership 16:00 – Navigating significance while remaining faithful 19:50 – The power of small, unseen acts o…","meta_description":"Many ministry leaders begin their journey with a genuine desire to serve. 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