{"podcast":{"title":"Legacy","slug":"legacy-6673187","podcast_index_feed_id":6673187,"rss_url":"https://feeds.acast.com/public/shows/68e4c0be965488b63a6987c5","website_url":"https://wondery.com/shows/legacy/?utm_source=rss","image_url":"https://assets.pippa.io/shows/68e4c0be965488b63a6987c5/1769609822433-03c5fb3c-c526-4fb3-94af-0f0a1d20a738.jpeg","author":"Original Legacy Productions","episode_count":159,"summary":"Afua Hirsch and Peter Frankopan tell the wild stories of some of the most extraordinary men and women ever to have lived – and ask whether they have the rep they deserve. Should Nina Simone’s role in the civil rights movement be more celebrated than it is? When you find out what Picasso got up to in his studio, can you still admire his art? Was Napoleon a hero or a tyrant - or both? (And, while we’re at it, was he even short?) Legacy is the show that looks at big lives from the perspective of now – and doesn’t always like what it sees. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.","last_synced_at":"2026-06-23T12:18:46.780803+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/legacy-6673187"},"episode":{"title":"Founding Fathers | The Original Brexit | 3","slug":"founding-fathers-the-original-brexit-3","published_at":"2026-05-26T02:00:00+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/legacy-6673187/founding-fathers-the-original-brexit-3","show_page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/legacy-6673187","url":"https://shows.acast.com/originallegacy/episodes/founding-fathers-the-original-brexit-3","audio_url":"https://sphinx.acast.com/p/open/s/68e4c0be965488b63a6987c5/e/6a10208211eba3cf159b9fc4/media.mp3","summary":"Who was the boring lawyer who quietly built the machine that made America work? Was John Adams so relentlessly right that even his allies couldn't stand him? And, how did the man who wrote the most beautiful words on human equality spend decades owning the woman who bore his children? Peter and Afua tear into the contradictions of 1776 — the forgotten architect, the honest man nobody liked, and the wordsmith whose legacy history has never quite known what to do with. 0:00 The original Brexit: what 1776 really was 6:00 John Jay — the unsung hero who built the legal framework of a nation 11:00 The Federalist Papers and the Roman Republic obsession 14:00 Jay's reluctant revolution: the man who wanted reconciliation 16:00 Enter Thomas Jefferson: plantation privilege and the Declaration of Independence 18:30 Jefferson at his desk — and the enslaved people outside the window 21:00 Martha, Sally Hemings, and the relationship history tried to bury 25:00 John Adams: the honest man too competent for his own good 31:00 Rome's collapse, checks and balances, and why they feared what they were building 36:00 Jefferson gave the revolution its language, Jay its structure, Adams its urgency Join Legacy Plus for bonus episodes, early access, Q&A's, fewer adverts and more. legacy.supportingcast.fm Stay connected with Legacy: Instagram: @originallegacypodcast TikTok: @legacy_productions Explore more from Peter and Afua — essays, sources, and ideas: Substack: peterfrankopan.substack.com | afuahirsch.substack.com Join Legacy+ for bonus episodes, early access, Q&A's, fewer adverts and more. legacy.supportingcast.fm Stay connected with Legacy: Instagram: @originallegacypodcast TikTok: @legacy_productions Explore more from Peter and Afua — essays, sources, and ideas: Substack: peterfra…","meta_description":"Who was the boring lawyer who quietly built the machine that made America work? Was John Adams so relentlessly right that even his allies couldn't stand h…","key_points":[],"chapters":[],"topics":[],"duration_seconds":2418,"processing_state":"not_requested","actions":[{"name":"request_transcript","method":"POST","url":"https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/legacy-6673187/episodes/founding-fathers-the-original-brexit-3/transcription-requests","description":"Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode."},{"name":"read_markdown","method":"GET","url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/legacy-6673187/founding-fathers-the-original-brexit-3.md","description":"Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource."}]}}