{"podcast":{"title":"Latent Space: The AI Engineer Podcast","slug":"latent-space-ai-engineer","podcast_index_feed_id":6058902,"rss_url":"https://api.substack.com/feed/podcast/1084089.rss","website_url":"https://www.latent.space/podcast","image_url":"https://substackcdn.com/feed/podcast/1084089/ca7468da5614a246d2906ee8926f6de7.jpg","author":"Latent.Space","episode_count":204,"summary":"The AI Engineer newsletter + Top technical AI podcast. How leading labs build Agents, Models, Infra, & AI for Science. See https://latent.space/about for highlights from Greg Brockman, Andrej Karpathy, George Hotz, Simon Willison, Soumith Chintala et al!","last_synced_at":null,"page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/latent-space-ai-engineer"},"episode":{"title":"Bitter Lessons in Venture vs Growth: Anthropic vs OpenAI, Noam Shazeer, World Labs, Thinking Machines, Cursor, ASIC Economics — Martin Casado & Sarah Wang of a16z","slug":"bitter-lessons-in-venture-vs-growth-anthropic-vs-openai-noam-shazeer-world-labs-thinking-machines-cursor-asic-economics-martin-casado-sarah-wang-of-a16z","published_at":"2026-02-19T16:46:53+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/latent-space-ai-engineer/bitter-lessons-in-venture-vs-growth-anthropic-vs-openai-noam-shazeer-world-labs-thinking-machines-cursor-asic-economics-martin-casado-sarah-wang-of-a16z","show_page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/latent-space-ai-engineer","url":"https://www.latent.space/p/a16z","audio_url":"https://api.substack.com/feed/podcast/188504140/c66a34d6406cd1b378cffe52d8a8c00b.mp3","summary":"a16z partners Martin Casado and Sarah Wang analyze the blurring lines between venture and growth capital in the AI era. 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