{"podcast":{"title":"It Was What It Was : The Football History Podcast","slug":"it-was-what-it-was-the-football-history-podcast-6903590","podcast_index_feed_id":6903590,"rss_url":"https://feeds.acast.com/public/shows/6633aa7d28201200122f5638","website_url":"https://shows.acast.com/it-was-what-it-was","image_url":"https://assets.pippa.io/shows/6633aa7d28201200122f5638/1727688311940-b629b5f2-5b0c-4058-9540-42e310dbd6d0.jpeg","author":"The Overlap","episode_count":167,"summary":"Welcome to The Overlap's football history podcast, It Was What It Was. Each week Jonathan Wilson and Rob Draper will be talking about the key episodes in football history that have shaped the footballing world. The show will be discussing the best stories from football's past, giving insights to the personalities involved. the tales from behind the scenes and the impact they left. Join us at Football University! If you enjoy the podcast please hit subscribe to never miss an episode. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.","last_synced_at":"2026-06-09T14:22:37.386183+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/it-was-what-it-was-the-football-history-podcast-6903590"},"episode":{"title":"Turf Wars Part One: The Making of ‘Hooligan’","slug":"turf-wars-part-one-the-making-of-hooligan","published_at":"2026-02-17T05:00:00+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/it-was-what-it-was-the-football-history-podcast-6903590/turf-wars-part-one-the-making-of-hooligan","show_page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/it-was-what-it-was-the-football-history-podcast-6903590","url":"https://shows.acast.com/it-was-what-it-was/episodes/turf-wars-the-history-of-football-hooliganism","audio_url":"https://sphinx.acast.com/p/open/s/6633aa7d28201200122f5638/e/6992f2264d911476d8e26f23/media.mp3","summary":"Welcome to It Was What It Was, the football history podcast. In this first part of a two-part special on football hooliganism, co-hosts Jonathan Wilson and Rob Draper are joined by special guest Cass Pennant - former West Ham United Inter City Firm member who later became an author and film producer. They discuss director Ian Stuttard (known as “Butch”) and his 1985 groundbreaking documentary 'Hooligan', which challenged the stereotype of hooligans. Cass explains how Stuttard earned access by spending months with the ICF without a camera, building trust, and later filming from inside the action. The episode also covers the Thatcher-era context, the film’s controversial release and its wider impact on how 'firms' were understood. We finish the episode with Cass reflecting on Stuttard’s wider documentary career, their later partnership in a production company, and Stuttard’s lasting legacy. Join us next week for the history of football hooliganism. You can listen to this episode ad-free over on our Patreon - Follow the link here - or go to Patreon.com and search for It Was What It Was. You will also get access to our World Cup countdown, magazine retrospectives and bonus episodes as well as a monthly Q&A with Rob and Jonathan. 00:38 Introducing Cass Pennant and the Documentary 03:21 How Ian Stuttard Got Access to the ICF 11:08 Trust Test: A Year With No Camera 15:28 1985 Context: Thatcher’s Britain, Youth Culture, and Misread ‘Casuals’ 24:19 Inside the Footage: Street Fighting, Early Video Cameras, and Codes of Conduct 26:23 Butch’s War-Correspondent Mindset 33:22 Back in the Studio: How ‘Hooligan’ Got Its Unfiltered Authenticity 34:02 Pre-Broadcast Panic: Calls to Ban the Film & Fears of Copycats 40:18 From Gangs to ‘…","meta_description":"Welcome to It Was What It Was, the football history podcast. In this first part of a two-part special on football hooliganism, co-hosts Jonathan Wilson an…","key_points":[],"chapters":[],"topics":[],"duration_seconds":3877,"processing_state":"not_requested","actions":[{"name":"request_transcript","method":"POST","url":"https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/it-was-what-it-was-the-football-history-podcast-6903590/episodes/turf-wars-part-one-the-making-of-hooligan/transcription-requests","description":"Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode."},{"name":"read_markdown","method":"GET","url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/it-was-what-it-was-the-football-history-podcast-6903590/turf-wars-part-one-the-making-of-hooligan.md","description":"Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource."}]}}