{"podcast":{"title":"Interesting Times with Ross Douthat","slug":"interesting-times-with-ross-douthat-440457","podcast_index_feed_id":440457,"rss_url":"https://feeds.simplecast.com/2xzUiHxw","website_url":"https://www.nytimes.com/column/matter-of-opinion","image_url":"https://image.simplecastcdn.com/images/4105a47a-42e5-4ccc-887a-832af7989986/1755eb11-344c-4732-bac7-d1a5daafb473/3000x3000/nyt-rossdouthat-albumart-3000px.jpg?aid=rss_feed","author":"New York Times Opinion","episode_count":67,"summary":"The first draft of our future. Mapping the new world order through interviews and conversations. Every Thursday, from New York Times Opinion. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher. For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app.","last_synced_at":null,"page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/interesting-times-with-ross-douthat-440457"},"episode":{"title":"A Defense of U.S. Intervention in Venezuela","slug":"a-defense-of-u-s-intervention-in-venezuela","published_at":"2026-01-07T10:00:00+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/interesting-times-with-ross-douthat-440457/a-defense-of-u-s-intervention-in-venezuela","show_page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/interesting-times-with-ross-douthat-440457","url":"https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/07/opinion/interesting-times-elliott-abrams.html","audio_url":"https://dts.podtrac.com/redirect.mp3/pdst.fm/e/pfx.vpixl.com/6qj4J/nyt.simplecastaudio.com/1fe58c15-392f-4bd2-9c69-5e2935220d3c/episodes/417db14b-4bde-471b-97e4-4aef1cca688a/audio/128/default.mp3?aid=rss_feed&awCollectionId=1fe58c15-392f-4bd2-9c69-5e2935220d3c&awEpisodeId=417db14b-4bde-471b-97e4-4aef1cca688a&feed=2xzUiHxw","summary":"What should the U.S. do next in Venezuela? President Trump’s former Venezuela envoy Elliott Abrams wants the Trump administration to push harder for full regime change. But, he and Ross debate if a democratic transition is even possible based on the administration’s interests and past American efforts in the region.","meta_description":"What should the U.S. do next in Venezuela? President Trump’s former Venezuela envoy Elliott Abrams wants the Trump administration to push harder for full…","key_points":[],"chapters":[],"topics":[],"duration_seconds":3214,"processing_state":"not_requested","actions":[{"name":"request_transcript","method":"POST","url":"https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/interesting-times-with-ross-douthat-440457/episodes/a-defense-of-u-s-intervention-in-venezuela/transcription-requests","description":"Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode."},{"name":"read_markdown","method":"GET","url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/interesting-times-with-ross-douthat-440457/a-defense-of-u-s-intervention-in-venezuela.md","description":"Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource."}]}}