{"podcast":{"title":"Interchange Recharged","slug":"interchange-recharged-1117793","podcast_index_feed_id":1117793,"rss_url":"https://rss.art19.com/the-interchange","website_url":"https://www.woodmac.com/market-insights/types/podcasts/the-interchange/","image_url":"https://content.production.cdn.art19.com/images/b6/56/1c/53/b6561c53-206c-4247-a10b-24ba827509b0/c2860f4a864766abfde003250fb48d283b0bd02e55fd77f8d26e983ada7d82f5ccf8d280d42ff7eadf18b30e0ac0b9005c949c6efcc5f5c4f73f1d69c44a3e15.jpeg","author":"Wood Mackenzie","episode_count":354,"summary":"Clean tech, green finance and energy innovation are the three lanes on the road to a successful global energy transition. At the intersection of these lanes is a place where ideas on finance, technology and policy are shared and debated. That intersection is Interchange Recharged. Your host is Sylvia Leyva Martinez, principal analyst and research director at Wood Mackenzie. When Sylvia isn't tracking the technologies and markets driving the build-out of renewable power, she's speaking with visionaries, entrepreneurs, policy-makers and energy analysts to explore the newest developments in renewable technology, explain the ideas on global energy policy that could accelerate the energy transition, and identify new funding and financial models that could solve the biggest challenges we face on the way to net zero. Sylvia and her guests bring you data and forecasts on clean technology, climate science, and offer predictions on the build out of utility-scale projects and the future of green finance. What does the surge in data-centre demand mean for the grid, and who pays for it? What's happening in global EV adoption and development? What's the forecast for solar, one of the major succ…","last_synced_at":"2026-09-16T02:19:58.805362+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/interchange-recharged-1117793"},"episode":{"title":"The electrolyzer reckoning: Can disciplined product development deliver on green hydrogen's promise before the survivors run out of runway?","slug":"the-electrolyzer-reckoning-can-disciplined-product-development-deliver-on-green-hydrogen-s-promise-before-the-survivors-run-out-of-runway","published_at":"2026-04-21T12:00:00+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/interchange-recharged-1117793/the-electrolyzer-reckoning-can-disciplined-product-development-deliver-on-green-hydrogen-s-promise-before-the-survivors-run-out-of-runway","show_page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/interchange-recharged-1117793","url":"https://dts.podtrac.com/redirect.mp3/rss.art19.com/episodes/54a3c961-9a8e-4eeb-a7b5-7e6db30f639a.mp3?rss_browser=BAhJIg90cmFuc2NyaWJyBjoGRVQ%3D--952c5701c84ad333c69d5faa668f8177091704f0","audio_url":"https://dts.podtrac.com/redirect.mp3/rss.art19.com/episodes/54a3c961-9a8e-4eeb-a7b5-7e6db30f639a.mp3?rss_browser=BAhJIg90cmFuc2NyaWJyBjoGRVQ%3D--952c5701c84ad333c69d5faa668f8177091704f0","summary":"Empty gigawatt factories, product recalls, participation rates that never materialised, and a policy environment that has now stripped the green premium entirely. The electrolyzer industry has had a brutal few years and most of the companies that raised hundreds of millions on the back of the hydrogen hype cycle are now sitting with fixed costs they cannot sustain and field deployments they are not proud of.  Host Bridget van Dorsten speaks with Raveel Afzaal, CEO of Next Hydrogen, one of the few electrolyzer manufacturers that chose to watch from the sidelines while competitors scaled into the storm. Raveel describes the decision in blunt terms: in 2021, when cost of capital went to near zero and capital discipline evaporated, Next Hydrogen looked at the macro signals; rising inflation, rising interest rates, a market telling them their Hyundai partnership was worth a 5% share price drop, and chose to extend their runway from 18 months to five years. That meant hard capital allocation decisions, and the answer was to invest in the product, not the factory.   The conversation goes deep into a problem that rarely gets discussed publicly: the commercialisation valley of death. Getting to a working prototype is celebrated, but the productisation phase, technology readiness levels five through seven, is where the funding gap is most severe and the cost shock is greatest. Costs typically rise three to five times from prototype stage, revenues do not yet exist, and neither government programmes nor conventional investors are structured to bridge it. Raveel explains why so many companies that made it to prototype stage never made it to commercial deployment and what surviving that valley actually required.  &nbs…","meta_description":"Empty gigawatt factories, product recalls, participation rates that never materialised, and a policy environment that has now stripped the green premium e…","key_points":[],"chapters":[],"topics":[],"duration_seconds":3604,"processing_state":"not_requested","actions":[{"name":"request_transcript","method":"POST","url":"https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/interchange-recharged-1117793/episodes/the-electrolyzer-reckoning-can-disciplined-product-development-deliver-on-green-hydrogen-s-promise-before-the-survivors-run-out-of-runway/transcription-requests","description":"Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode."},{"name":"read_markdown","method":"GET","url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/interchange-recharged-1117793/the-electrolyzer-reckoning-can-disciplined-product-development-deliver-on-green-hydrogen-s-promise-before-the-survivors-run-out-of-runway.md","description":"Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource."}]}}