{"podcast":{"title":"Identity at the Center","slug":"identity-at-the-center-344918","podcast_index_feed_id":344918,"rss_url":"https://anchor.fm/s/c5fefcc/podcast/rss","website_url":"https://idacpodcast.com","image_url":"https://d3t3ozftmdmh3i.cloudfront.net/production/podcast_uploaded_nologo/1976139/1976139-1687984222617-91fa1466c536c.jpg","author":"Identity at the Center","episode_count":433,"summary":"Identity at the Center is a weekly podcast all about identity security in the context of identity and access management (IAM). With decades of real-world IAM experience, hosts Jim McDonald and Jeff Steadman bring you conversations with news, topics, and guests from the identity management industry. Do you know who has access to what?","last_synced_at":"2026-07-08T18:19:10.496727+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/identity-at-the-center-344918"},"episode":{"title":"#431 - Tectonic Shifts in Identity Security with Martin Kuppinger","slug":"431-tectonic-shifts-in-identity-security-with-martin-kuppinger","published_at":"2026-06-29T09:00:00+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/identity-at-the-center-344918/431-tectonic-shifts-in-identity-security-with-martin-kuppinger","show_page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/identity-at-the-center-344918","url":"https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/identity-at-the-center/episodes/431---Tectonic-Shifts-in-Identity-Security-with-Martin-Kuppinger-e3jucfg","audio_url":"https://anchor.fm/s/c5fefcc/podcast/play/120582064/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2026-4-26%2F56ac51cf-caab-29b7-5fba-7260c2ac789e.mp3","summary":"Recorded live at EIC 2026 in Berlin, Jeff and Jim sit down with Martin Kuppinger, founder and distinguished analyst at KuppingerCole. They dig into the tectonic shifts AI is bringing to identity and security, the AI security fabric framework, why decentralized identity thinking may be essential for governing the agentic mesh, the ongoing debate over NHI terminology, what organizations can do tactically today, and what concerns Martin most about where the industry is heading by 2030. Connect with Martin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/martinkuppinger/ Connect with us on LinkedIn: Jim McDonald: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jimmcdonaldpmp/ Jeff Steadman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffsteadman/ Visit the show on the web at http://idacpodcast.com 00:00 Introduction and Welcome 00:50 What a Distinguished Analyst Does 01:37 EIC 2026: Thought Leadership and Best Practice 04:17 Agentic AI: Non-Directed, Non-Deterministic Identity 08:22 Speed of Change: Tactical Now, Strategic Later 12:34 The AI Security Fabric: Five Capability Blocks 15:10 Identity Fabric Origins and Market Growth 18:27 Discovery as the Foundation for Governance 19:48 Governance, Explainability, and Organizational Gaps 22:00 Agent Lineage and Rethinking NHI Terminology 23:50 LLMs vs. Small Language Models 26:23 Is Agentic Identity a Genuinely New Problem? 32:29 Humanoid Robots and the Limits of AI Reasoning 37:05 Decentralized Identity, Trust Frameworks, and Signals 41:07 Identity Verification and Consent for Agents 48:42 What Concerns Martin About the Future of Identity 50:34 Favorite AI Application: Assisted Driving 55:00 Self-Driving Cars, Data, and Personal Privacy Keywords: Martin Kuppinger, KuppingerCole, EIC 2026, EIC Berlin, agentic AI, AI security fabric, identity fabric, decentralized identity, AI gover…","meta_description":"Recorded live at EIC 2026 in Berlin, Jeff and Jim sit down with Martin Kuppinger, founder and distinguished analyst at KuppingerCole. They dig into the te…","key_points":[],"chapters":[],"topics":[],"duration_seconds":3663,"processing_state":"not_requested","actions":[{"name":"request_transcript","method":"POST","url":"https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/identity-at-the-center-344918/episodes/431-tectonic-shifts-in-identity-security-with-martin-kuppinger/transcription-requests","description":"Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode."},{"name":"read_markdown","method":"GET","url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/identity-at-the-center-344918/431-tectonic-shifts-in-identity-security-with-martin-kuppinger.md","description":"Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource."}]}}