{"podcast":{"title":"Humans of Martech","slug":"humans-of-martech-1320163","podcast_index_feed_id":1320163,"rss_url":"https://feeds.transistor.fm/humans-of-martech","website_url":"https://www.humansofmartech.com","image_url":"https://img.transistorcdn.com/0YE0AdjhX5bQmu9HqF_AB6lM_fcU8jAVQ5W-loHrlxA/rs:fill:0:0:1/w:1400/h:1400/q:60/mb:500000/aHR0cHM6Ly9pbWct/dXBsb2FkLXByb2R1/Y3Rpb24udHJhbnNp/c3Rvci5mbS9hZGE5/NTRiZjYwMDI0NWM5/MmE4MDQ1NWJlODA3/MjUxYy5wbmc.jpg","author":"Phil Gamache","episode_count":238,"summary":"Future-proofing the humans behind the tech. Follow Phil Gamache and Darrell Alfonso on their mission to help future-proof the humans behind the tech and have successful careers in the constantly expanding universe of martech.","last_synced_at":"2026-09-15T16:21:32.290092+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/humans-of-martech-1320163"},"episode":{"title":"237: Designing the utopian marketing leadership role, with Mary Keough","slug":"237-designing-the-utopian-marketing-leadership-role-with-mary-keough","published_at":"2026-09-15T08:00:00+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/humans-of-martech-1320163/237-designing-the-utopian-marketing-leadership-role-with-mary-keough","show_page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/humans-of-martech-1320163","url":"https://humansofmartech.com/2026/09/15/237-designing-the-utopian-marketing-leadership-role/","audio_url":"https://media.transistor.fm/4a933493/af5b0f81.mp3","summary":"What's up everyone, today we have the pleasure of sitting down with Mary Keough, Fractional Demand Gen for B2B at DemandLoops. (00:00) - Intro (01:12) - In This Episode (04:30) - How to Write LinkedIn Posts That Hit a Nerve Without AI (06:39) - How to Run an Honest Goal Setting Conversation With Your Founder (14:46) - Why Marketing Always Catches the Scope Creep at Startups (18:39) - How New Marketing VPs Establish Credibility in Their First Month (28:30) - How Women in Marketing Leadership Get Out of the Marketing Girl Box (33:49) - How to Tell if a Founder Who Doesn't Get Marketing Will Trust You (36:54) - What a VP of Marketing Job Description Should Actually Say (39:12) - When to Fight for a Broken Marketing Role and When to Leave (44:43) - Why Fractional Marketing Leadership Works as a Stopgap and Fails Long Term (49:53) - How to Vet a Marketing Role by Talking to People Who Left (53:17) - How to Use a Family Value System to Decide What Deserves Your Energy Summary: Mary wrote a LinkedIn post listing every fear a senior marketer has about taking a VP of Marketing job, and it hit a nerve loud enough to become this entire episode. We take the fears apart one at a time: the goalpost that moves the week after your team clears it, the executive dinner that quietly becomes 6 more events, the launch strategy your boss never opens. Then we build the other side of it, including the 3 sentence job description she'd sign tomorrow and the written SLA that stops sales from eating 4 days of your designer's week. She also explains why the fractional model everyone is rushing toward is a stopgap, and why her own contracts are designed to end. Stick around for the performance review where nothing went wrong and it still nearly took her out. About Mary Keough Mary Keough is a fract…","meta_description":"What's up everyone, today we have the pleasure of sitting down with Mary Keough, Fractional Demand Gen for B2B at DemandLoops. (00:00) - Intro (01:12) - I…","key_points":[],"chapters":[],"topics":[],"duration_seconds":3457,"processing_state":"not_requested","actions":[{"name":"request_transcript","method":"POST","url":"https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/humans-of-martech-1320163/episodes/237-designing-the-utopian-marketing-leadership-role-with-mary-keough/transcription-requests","description":"Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode."},{"name":"read_markdown","method":"GET","url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/humans-of-martech-1320163/237-designing-the-utopian-marketing-leadership-role-with-mary-keough.md","description":"Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource."}]}}