{"podcast":{"title":"Hard Fork","slug":"hard-fork","podcast_index_feed_id":1026613,"rss_url":"https://feeds.simplecast.com/l2i9YnTd","website_url":"https://www.nytimes.com/column/hard-fork","image_url":"https://image.simplecastcdn.com/images/4105a47a-42e5-4ccc-887a-832af7989986/23965394-f5e4-4fdb-b150-639f4910353e/3000x3000/nyt-hf-album-art-3000-2.jpg?aid=rss_feed","author":"The New York Times","episode_count":195,"summary":"“Hard Fork” is a show about the future that’s already here. Each week, journalists Kevin Roose and Casey Newton explore and make sense of the latest in the rapidly changing world of tech. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher. 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Agents Rip Through the Economy?","slug":"the-ezra-klein-show-how-fast-will-a-i-agents-rip-through-the-economy","published_at":"2026-03-27T11:00:00+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/hard-fork/the-ezra-klein-show-how-fast-will-a-i-agents-rip-through-the-economy","show_page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/hard-fork","url":"https://www.nytimes.com/column/hard-fork","audio_url":"https://dts.podtrac.com/redirect.mp3/pdst.fm/e/pfx.vpixl.com/6qj4J/pscrb.fm/rss/p/nyt.simplecastaudio.com/3e43d072-f8a5-430f-bc8e-4c70aafdf3c7/episodes/2752db41-d7d7-462f-848d-c6df4e4395c4/audio/128/default.mp3?aid=rss_feed&awCollectionId=3e43d072-f8a5-430f-bc8e-4c70aafdf3c7&awEpisodeId=2752db41-d7d7-462f-848d-c6df4e4395c4&feed=l2i9YnTd","summary":"Anthropic co-founder Jack Clark discusses the transition from AI as a predictive tool to AI as an autonomous agent capable of performing professional tasks. 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