{"podcast":{"title":"Growth In Reverse: Newsletter & Email Growth","slug":"growth-in-reverse-newsletter-email-growth-7107720","podcast_index_feed_id":7107720,"rss_url":"https://feeds.transistor.fm/growth-in-reverse","website_url":"https://growthinreverse.com/podcast/","image_url":"https://img.transistorcdn.com/yfYEUiy6aIZ_YeqoIVd7oSe5vve8qCjyqiqBQMf4h2g/rs:fill:0:0:1/w:1400/h:1400/q:60/mb:500000/aHR0cHM6Ly9pbWct/dXBsb2FkLXByb2R1/Y3Rpb24udHJhbnNp/c3Rvci5mbS9lYThj/YzZjMTc0ODc4YzIw/ZWFkNzgxN2FkYzg5/MjI1ZS5wbmc.jpg","author":"Chenell Basilio","episode_count":81,"summary":"Growth In Reverse is the must-listen podcast for anyone serious about growing an email list and turning a newsletter into a thriving business. Hosted by Chenell Basilio and Dylan Redekop, two leading voices in the newsletter space, this show pulls back the curtain on how today’s top newsletter operators actually grow and make money. Episodes include deep-dive teardowns of the strategies behind the most successful newsletters. You’ll hear how creators like Justin Welsh, Codie Sanchez, Sahil Bloom, and other creator founders are building loyal audiences and turning subscribers into revenue. Learn how they attract traffic, increase conversions, boost retention, and scale without burning out. Whether you're launching your first newsletter or refining your growth engine, Growth In Reverse gives you proven tactics you can use right away. From onboarding systems and referral programs to sponsorships and paid products, this podcast helps you grow faster and smarter. If you’re ready to stop guessing and start applying what works, tune in and learn how the best are building newsletters that last.","last_synced_at":"2026-06-24T20:19:26.018751+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/growth-in-reverse-newsletter-email-growth-7107720"},"episode":{"title":"The PACT Formula for Starting Over with Steve Kamb","slug":"the-pact-formula-for-starting-over-with-steve-kamb","published_at":"2026-06-17T09:00:00+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/growth-in-reverse-newsletter-email-growth-7107720/the-pact-formula-for-starting-over-with-steve-kamb","show_page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/growth-in-reverse-newsletter-email-growth-7107720","url":"https://share.transistor.fm/s/030548da","audio_url":"https://media.transistor.fm/030548da/1d0dcc21.mp3","summary":"Steve Kamb bought the domain for NerdFitness.com in 2007 and grew it into a 45-person, SEO-driven coaching company. But then he burned out. Badly. He demoted himself twice, and eventually stepped away from running the business entirely — all so he could do the one thing he actually loved: write. In this episode, Steve joins us to talk about his new book How to Try Again , the hard lessons from 17+ years of building Nerd Fitness, and why starting over isn't a failure — it's a skill. His PACT framework (Pause, Accept, Change, Try) offers a practical roadmap for any creator who's ever felt stuck, burned out, or tempted to quit. KEY TAKEAWAYS How Steve built Nerd Fitness from a blog into a 45-person company Why he demoted himself out of his own CEO role The brutal reality of pandemic-era burnout and what it taught him about chasing the wrong things Why \"all or nothing\" thinking almost always fails His four-step PACT framework for starting over after burnout or failure The question he asked that changed everything Why writing two articles a week for 10 years was the real engine behind Nerd Fitness The danger of modeling celebrity success over relatable success How Steve separated his personal brand from Nerd Fitness What success actually looks like for Steve now LINKS MENTIONED SteveKamb.com How To Try Again (Steve's Book) NerdFitness.com Kit — email platform used by Steve and the hosts FOLLOW ON SOCIAL Chenell : Twitter | LinkedIn Dylan : LinkedIn | Substack | Instagram OUR NEWSLETTERS growthinreverse.com growthcurrency.net Subscribe & Leave a Review: Love what you’re hearing? Make sure to subscribe, and if you found this episode helpful, leave us a rating & review on your favorite podcast platform.","meta_description":"Steve Kamb bought the domain for NerdFitness.com in 2007 and grew it into a 45-person, SEO-driven coaching company. But then he burned out. Badly. He demo…","key_points":[],"chapters":[],"topics":[],"duration_seconds":3215,"processing_state":"not_requested","actions":[{"name":"request_transcript","method":"POST","url":"https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/growth-in-reverse-newsletter-email-growth-7107720/episodes/the-pact-formula-for-starting-over-with-steve-kamb/transcription-requests","description":"Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode."},{"name":"read_markdown","method":"GET","url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/growth-in-reverse-newsletter-email-growth-7107720/the-pact-formula-for-starting-over-with-steve-kamb.md","description":"Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource."}]}}