{"podcast":{"title":"Grow Your Camp","slug":"grow-your-camp-7692382","podcast_index_feed_id":7692382,"rss_url":"https://api.riverside.fm/hosting/idzX3ZjO.rss","website_url":"https://growyourcamppodcast.com/","image_url":"https://hosting-media.riverside.com/media/podcasts/a20bc04e-40b5-4e64-a5f2-67eda6997509/logos/77d4b576-d2d3-4be8-9782-7613ef8ab5a1.jpeg","author":"Mark P. Fisher & Carl Lefever","episode_count":17,"summary":"Welcome to the Grow Your Camp Podcast: 'Cause You Can't Minister to Empty Beds Where we share stories and systems to help camps grow. Hosts: Mark P. Fisher , of Inspiring Growth Carl Lefever , of Improve & Grow Overview: Most camp directors didn't sign up to be marketers. They signed up because they know what happens to a kid who spends a week away from everything — and they wanted to be part of it. But empty beds are a real problem, and figuring out how to fill them, fund the mission, and still lead well is work nobody really prepared you for. The Grow Your Camp Podcast exists for that director . Every episode opens with one tactic you can use this week — then goes deeper with a real camp leader who's already solved the problem you're sitting with. Real numbers. Real stories. The systems behind the growth. This is what it sounds like when the mission gets to grow. Key Themes: Filling the Calendar: Strategies and real-world examples of how retreat and camp leaders increase bookings and reduce seasonal gaps. Topics might include: lead generation systems, improving inquiry response times, pricing strategy, market positioning, capacity management, and off-season marketing approaches.…","last_synced_at":"2026-07-18T20:20:44.188986+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/grow-your-camp-7692382"},"episode":{"title":"Ep 10 | The Camp Messaging Problem: Why Clarity Beats Cleverness","slug":"ep-10-the-camp-messaging-problem-why-clarity-beats-cleverness","published_at":"2026-05-09T17:33:11+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/grow-your-camp-7692382/ep-10-the-camp-messaging-problem-why-clarity-beats-cleverness","show_page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/grow-your-camp-7692382","url":"https://api.riverside.com/hosting-analytics/media/5b429d396ab195efe20e9b69ce2db734bf761d3923539c7bec2305c68d8f5a17/eyJlcGlzb2RlSWQiOiI2NTU4YjA0Yy1kNmIyLTQ1YWQtYjRhOC0xZmMzMGNiY2NhYjYiLCJwb2RjYXN0SWQiOiJhMjBiYzA0ZS00MGI1LTRlNjQtYTVmMi02N2VkYTY5OTc1MDkiLCJhY2NvdW50SWQiOiI2OTI0ZmUzZmQ5YTYwMzc4YTgzYjNmOWMiLCJwYXRoIjoibWVkaWEvY2xpcHMvNjlmZjZhMDFhNDUxNTkyMzEwNjM2MDJhL2dyb3cteW91ci1jYW1wLXBvZGNhc3QtY29tcG9zZXItMjAyNi01LTlfXzE5LTgtMTcubXAzIn0=.mp3","audio_url":"https://api.riverside.com/hosting-analytics/media/5b429d396ab195efe20e9b69ce2db734bf761d3923539c7bec2305c68d8f5a17/eyJlcGlzb2RlSWQiOiI2NTU4YjA0Yy1kNmIyLTQ1YWQtYjRhOC0xZmMzMGNiY2NhYjYiLCJwb2RjYXN0SWQiOiJhMjBiYzA0ZS00MGI1LTRlNjQtYTVmMi02N2VkYTY5OTc1MDkiLCJhY2NvdW50SWQiOiI2OTI0ZmUzZmQ5YTYwMzc4YTgzYjNmOWMiLCJwYXRoIjoibWVkaWEvY2xpcHMvNjlmZjZhMDFhNDUxNTkyMzEwNjM2MDJhL2dyb3cteW91ci1jYW1wLXBvZGNhc3QtY29tcG9zZXItMjAyNi01LTlfXzE5LTgtMTcubXAzIn0=.mp3","summary":"In this episode Mark opens with a tribute to one of his earliest camp mentors, Neil Fichthorn, the longtime executive director at Sandy Cove. Mark shares the leadership lessons Neil taught him — including the phrase that became foundational to this podcast: “You can’t minister to empty beds.” Carl’s quick camp marketing tip focuses on why your Google Business Profile may be quietly costing you bookings. He explains how local search results work, why reviews and categories matter, and how small profile updates can improve visibility for camps and retreat centers. The featured conversation is with Casey Fuerst, owner of Tic Tac Toe Marketing, who spent 18 years serving at a Lutheran camp in Nebraska before launching an agency focused on camps and nonprofits. Casey shares how camp shaped her personally and why she now helps camps communicate more clearly. The conversation explores one of the biggest problems Casey sees on camp websites: cluttered messaging. Using her “hall closet” analogy, she explains why trying to communicate everything at once confuses parents and retreat guests instead of helping them take action. The episode also covers Donald Miller’s StoryBrand framework and practical ways camps can simplify messaging, strengthen positioning, and improve marketing clarity. Keywords camp marketing, camp website design, StoryBrand for camps, camp messaging, Christian camp marketing Sound Bites “If everybody thinks their stuff belongs on the front page of the website, it becomes the junk drawer.” “Clear is kind. Clever is not.” “Most organizations are communicating at an eight when customers only need a two.” Hosts Mark P. Fisher, Inspiring Growth Carl Lefever, Improve & Grow Guest Casey Fuerst, Tic Tac Toe Marketing Chapters 00:05 Introduction 02:11 Today's Topic…","meta_description":"In this episode Mark opens with a tribute to one of his earliest camp mentors, Neil Fichthorn, the longtime executive director at Sandy Cove. 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